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Jul 24, 2011#1

twall

The suburban, my JDs,everything. Why? Some pompous beaurocrat known as the 'inspector' cited me, and gave me 10 days to remove them.

I'm so angry and sad I don't know whether to cry or crap nails.......I am beside myself. I guess this hobby is done! I guess I'll stick to watches - until the inspector tells me "ze nazis do not like such things in the hands of such with your resources......"

I am so sick of living in this rotten state - and listening to blowhard self-important political boobs telling me how free I am. Horse s**t! I am really pissed beyond words, which for me is kinda rare.

Jul 24, 2011#2

BKBrown

Who was this "inspector" ??? Hope you got some verified ID !

Send me a PM or email !

Had been wondering where you were ??????

Jul 24, 2011#3

M

mullins87

Why did he make you get rid of them?

Jul 24, 2011#4

twall

Thanks, BK - he's a real inspector.

He goes around when the courthouse nazis need money. They dig up old laws, find the offenders least likely to be able to satisfactorily comply, and issue citations in hopes we can't fix it all, and they'll fine us for however long it takes until we are in compliance with said law on the books.

Not a yearly thing - but I notice if there aren't a lot of traffic tickets being issued, they'll find another way to drum up cash for the courthouse......

Just makes me sick. My direct neighbor's house stinks so bad of rotting food and whatnot, that I can smell it from my kitchen. But, complaints to this beaurocratic fool go unanswered, until he gets his marching orders from "da judge". Mad really doesn't quite cover it.

The machines are now all gone. Gave them away to avoid junking them. Didn't even have time to sell them. All that is left is a snowblower, my Snapper push mower, and my RER Snapper. I feel like I've been robbed. :frown:

Jul 24, 2011#5

BKBrown

Is this the Local or the State butt heads ?

:thumbdown:

:frown:

Jul 24, 2011#6

twall

BKBrown said:
Is this the Local or the State butt heads ?

:thumbdown: :frown:

He's a local wanker. He'll let us go for a couple of years, then nail us with citations, when (as I said) we are most likely to get fined. He just loves us trailer trash. Got about 50 of us this year. Good catch for him!

Jul 24, 2011#7

BKBrown

The local "Barney Fife" types can be the WORST ! :thumbdown:

Was it a problem with the number and how they were stored ?

Jul 24, 2011#8

twall

The number. Oh, that and I still have a small brush pile.

Lemme see - it rained all spring, then we had a couple nice weeks, then it turned hotter than the Middle East overnight. This year has not been the one for "well, let's get our 30 loads of brush that the winter blessed me with to the woods......" No, it's been "let's wait for it to dry out - wait.......98 degrees/80% humidity? - yeah, right......"

Jul 24, 2011#9

JDgreen

twall said:
The suburban, my JDs,everything. Why? Some pompous beaurocrat known as the 'inspector' cited me, and gave me 10 days to remove them.

I'm so angry and sad I don't know whether to cry or crap nails.......I am beside myself. I guess this hobby is done! I guess I'll stick to watches - until the inspector tells me "ze nazis do not like such things in the hands of such with your resources......"

I am so sick of living in this rotten state - and listening to blowhard self-important political boobs telling me how free I am. Horse s**t! I am really pissed beyond words, which for me is kinda rare.

I don't blame you for being angry, those local code enforcement p-----s tick me off big time. I have had two issues with the local Nazi about having an unregistered running pickup I used to haul brush arounbd on my property, he says it had to have LICENSE PLATES (and I would have to have liabiity insurance on it) to keep it outdoors. For a decent looking truck that never leaves my property that is about $500 a year for being able to leave it outside. So I sold it. Those cretins really have NOTHING else to do except go out and snoop and try to find a violation. Would you have been able to keep your equipment if it had been stored in a shed?

Jul 24, 2011#10

JDgreen

mullins87 said:
Why did he make you get rid of them?

Many locations forbid keeping more than a certain number of non-running vehicles and/or equipment on your premises. The idea is to keep property owners from collecting junk which is an "eyesore" or whatever they call it. My township got along fine without a code enforcement officer for over 100 years, the one we have now is a grade A, gold plated JERK. I hope the p---- is in a dangerous building some day and it caves in on him.

Jul 24, 2011#11

twall

JDgreen said:
[..] Would you have been able to keep your equipment if it had been stored in a shed?

Absolutely. Then they could have taxed me an extra $50/month for the building. If they could see evidence it had power to it, (even just an extension cord) double that in taxes. Self-important jerks.

I am SO grateful I live in the "land of the free". Sounds good in a song, but in practice.......Big Brother always wins in the end. There is no such thing as freedom.

Jul 24, 2011#12

RobertBrown

twall said:
Absolutely. Then they could have taxed me an extra $50/month for the building. If they could see evidence it had power to it, (even just an extension cord) double that in taxes. Self-important jerks.

I am SO grateful I live in the "land of the free". Sounds good in a song, but in practice.......Big Brother always wins in the end. There is no such thing as freedom.

If you built the shed you would have to buy a permit.
To apply for a permit you would need plans.
To submit plans you need a seal, to get the seal you need an Architect or Engineer.
To build the shed you will need a licensed contractor.
To drop off the permit you need to file "notice of commencement".
To occupy the shed you need a "certificate of occupancy".
To get this cerificate, you need a "final" inspection, which of course cannot occur without a "rough in" inspection.
Unless you want to have a light in your shed in which case you have to hire a licensed electrical contractor and get an electrical inspection. The county will tax you according to to the square footage x the milliage rate.
Your going to have to pay for all those inspections maybe more if you get red tagged and need a re-inspection.
You also have to pay to file notice of commencement (this is to remind the county to increase your taxes).

Unfortunetly collecting lawn mowers is an expensive pastime...at least in this country.
If we keep letting these people stick thier hands in our pockets, why should they stop?

Jul 24, 2011#13

BKBrown

NY is a state that elected a Clinton who had never realy lived in the state. :thumbdown:

I grew up not far from where twall lives, but am now in the Commonwealth of VA.

Jul 24, 2011#14

M

mowerbeast

You know what to do? If you have the room, build a barn and store stuff in there.

Jul 24, 2011#15

RobertBrown

mowerbeast said:
You know what to do? If you have the room, build a barn and store stuff in there.

Problem solved! :confused2:

Jul 24, 2011#16

RobertBrown

BKBrown said:
NY is a state that elected a Clinton who had never realy lived in the state. :thumbdown:

I grew up not far from where twall lives, but am now in the Commonwealth of VA.

Do you really think things would be different there now if they had elected a Republican?.....can I say reblican here..outloud :ashamed:

Jul 24, 2011#17

M

mullins87

Wow, makes me glad I live in the middle of nowhere. I don't blame you for being furious, I would be too.

Jul 24, 2011#18

JDgreen

mowerbeast said:
You know what to do? If you have the room, build a barn and store stuff in there.[/QU

I understand Twall lives in what is called a "trailer park" OOOOOPS excuse me, "manufactured home community".

Believe me, there will be an entire book full of regulations about what size he can build, where he can build, and if he wants to build something that does not comply with the local codes (the book above) he will have to pay for and ask permission for a variance which is time consuming and expensive and the odds of everyone who lives nearby approving his variance are not very good. My cop neighbor next door wanted a good size pre built storage shed delivered to his property, he told me that in order for it to be legal (minimum distance from property line) he had to first apply for a variance then go thru the process of having his other neighbors within 300 feet approve it, or, he could simply ask me, the mean, grumpy old fart, if he could just have it eight feet too close to the property line between us. Took me ten seconds to say "you have my permission" and offer my hand to seal the deal. Why can't more neighbors be like me? :confused2:

Jul 24, 2011#19

RobertBrown

JDgreen said:
mowerbeast said:

You know what to do? If you have the room, build a barn and store stuff in there.[/QU

I understand Twall lives in what is called a "trailer park" OOOOOPS excuse me, "manufactured home community".

Believe me, there will be an entire book full of regulations about what size he can build, where he can build, and if he wants to build something that does not comply with the local codes (the book above) he will have to pay for and ask permission for a variance which is time consuming and expensive and the odds of everyone who lives nearby approving his variance are not very good. My cop neighbor next door wanted a good size pre built storage shed delivered to his property, he told me that in order for it to be legal (minimum distance from property line) he had to first apply for a variance then go thru the process of having his other neighbors within 300 feet approve it, or, he could simply ask me, the mean, grumpy old fart, if he could just have it eight feet too close to the property line between us. Took me ten seconds to say "you have my permission" and offer my hand to seal the deal. Why can't more neighbors be like me? :confused2:

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Ask that guy if he wants to sell and move to Florida. I always wanted to experience a Michigan winter.

Jul 24, 2011#20

reynoldston

You must live in a manufactured home community and your park owner must be OK with you collecting mowers but not the town. It sounds like some do gooder is just jealous and turned you in to the town. They just can't mind there own business. I can see what you mean we are losing more rights all the time. We just have too many do gooders telling us what to do and the politicians just listen to them. They just want to treat us like kids so we don't hurt ourselves. Just look what they are doing to the lawn mowers, they are covering them with safety switches and if they keep going maybe we will need to have a operators licence, wear a helmet and safety belt, and a road test to mow our lawn.

Jul 24, 2011#21

RobertBrown

reynoldston said:
You must live in a manufactured home community and your park owner must be OK with you collecting mowers but not the town. It sounds like some do gooder is just jealous and turned you in to the town. They just can't mind there own business. I can see what you mean we are losing more rights all the time. We just have too many do gooders telling us what to do and the politicians just listen to them. They just want to treat us like kids so we don't hurt ourselves. Just look what they are doing to the lawn mowers, they are covering them with safety switches and if they keep going maybe we will need to have a operators licence, wear a helmet and safety belt, and a road test to mow our lawn. ,

It's much more about the revenue stream than it is about safety.

Jul 25, 2011#22

F

Fabman

Sorry to read about your problem you had with your local gistapo twall. Ya it's all about money, they can't spend it wisley so they just make s--- up to get more out of ya!!! It's everywhere and there going to create a revolution thev'e never seen before.

Jul 25, 2011#23

twall

RobertBrown said:
It's much more about the revenue stream than it is about safety.

RobertBrown is exactly right here. Like I said, my SSI neighbor has multiple health code violations, and this fool of an inspector has recived numerous complaints on him, all to be ignored.

However, I have a job - and am more likely to actually have wages to attach should the need arise to fine me. But, because I live in a trailer park (it's okay...... :wink

- they in the town know we don't have the money to go lawyering up and fighting City Hall.

So, it keeps happening, and happening, and happening - ad nauseum.

Jul 25, 2011#24

twall

Fabman said:
Sorry to read about your problem you had with your local gistapo twall. Ya it's all about money, they can't spend it wisley so they just make s--- up to get more out of ya!!! It's everywhere and there going to create a revolution thev'e never seen before.

Naw, we are too busy with the political infighting (which is exactly what they want) to band together and do anything meaningful.

Jul 25, 2011#25

Two-Stroke

I'm very sorry to hear this, twall. It's doubly bad that you couldn't find a way to get enough time to sell them in an orderly fashion.

Jul 25, 2011#26

twall

Two-Stroke said:
I'm very sorry to hear this, twall. It's doubly bad that you couldn't find a way to get enough time to sell them in an orderly fashion.

I know. Thanks. You know what sucks worse? The day I got cited was the same day I was told at work we were going down to a 32 hour, 4 day week. Those mowers were going to be my supplimentary income while we are slow (happens every year).

C'est la vie!

Jul 25, 2011#27

reynoldston

Could you rent a building in a location that is zoned commercial. I also live in NY and it just seems the zoning laws are getting worst all the time. I own a second home in Franklin county and they are starting to zone. I added a room on the building in Franklin county and the building inspector had his noise in everything I did. It is just like the town hires people with too much time on there hands. I do a small repair business where I live but I can keep every thing under cover. Can't get a break on parts because no tax number because of it. What kind of business are you doing from your home? If it is selling it would be a very hard thing to hide. It is just imposable for the small person to run a small business without the government taking their cut. You say your neighbor is very untidy and they don't do anything about it. I think the difference is that it is his own private mess which they can't do anything about and you wanting to run a business. Not knowing the situation, hearing only one side, where or how you live it has to be very hard to pick sides. So far we are all on your side till we hear it from the other guy which I know better.

Jul 25, 2011#28

twall

It's not a business per se. It was my collection I piddled with when the weather and cash cooperated. The fact I could fall back on a sale or two is secondary; if I never sold a one, fine. It wasn't really for that purpose. But, now I'm on workshare, having a piece I can sell here or there woulda been nice.

I don't have a building, but a lot of my stuff was under a tarp/covers. But not the riders (except the Snapper and the Simplicity. I am keeping that one, too - it is hardly noticable under a tarp - but he counted my covered Snapper....)

The smelly guy next door: if I didn't have to smell his filth, I could care less iff he lived and bathed in horse manure. But, when I have to smell it and almost puke, then it does become my problem. When I have to deal with his roaches, it becomes my problem. When I know there's black mold in that place, and the spores are everywhere, it becomes my problem.

Sorry to snap on you. Sure, there is another side: The pompous inspector who is making a mountain out of a molehill, whilst ignoring a health hazard. My mowers were niether harboring rodents, bees, snakes, or any other manner of critter. They didn't have fuel in them, so they were not a fire hazard. They were neatly llined up in a small section of my yard, so the 'eyesore' bit is a tad subjective. They were under piine trees, where grass never grows, so even WEEDS aren't a problem. It was just the number. 6 is too many, but maybe 4 would've slid by. I call BS! Not just lined up in a row; placed in no more than a 10'X10' square all put together like a puzzle.

Sorry again.

Jul 25, 2011#29

JDgreen

twall said:
It's not a business per se. It was my collection I piddled with when the weather and cash cooperated. The fact I could fall back on a sale or two is secondary; if I never sold a one, fine. It wasn't really for that purpose. But, now I'm on workshare, having a piece I can sell here or there woulda been nice.

I don't have a building, but a lot of my stuff was under a tarp/covers.

The smelly guy next door: if I didn't have to smell his filth, I could care less iff he lived and bathed in horse manure. But, when I have to smell it and almost puke, then it does become my problem. When I have to deal with his roaches, it becomes my problem. When I know there's black mold in that place, and the spores are everywhere, it becomes my problem.

Sorry to snap on you. Sure, there is another side: The pompous inspector who is making a mountain out of a molehill, whilst ignoring a health hazard. My mowers were niether harboring rodents, bees, snakes, or any other manner of critter. They didn't have fuel in them, so they were not a fire hazard. They were neatly llined up in a small section of my yard, so the 'eyesore' bit is a tad subjective. They were under piine trees, where grass never grows, so even WEEDS aren't a problem. It was just the number. 6 is too many, but maybe 4 would've slid by. I call BS! Not just lined up in a row; placed in no more than a 10'X10' square all put together like a puzzle.

Sorry again.

T----s like the guy that cited you are a boil on the ars of every local government unit, they go out and look for violations so they can say they are doing something.

HORSE SQUEEZE.

Our local code official must have ticked somebody off REALLY bad a year or two ago, because from what I heard, some cretin or cretins smashed in the side windows of his personal truck (late model SUV) early one morning and then poured a mixture of urine and dog-doo slurry (2 -5 gallon pails worth) on his front seats....what a great payback, IMO.

NO, IT WAS NOT ME !!!! I don't have any dogs....

Jul 25, 2011#30

reynoldston

I can't judge seeing I keep my toys in buildings, live in the country, and don't live next to a pig I can't get away from. Do you live in a park and rent a space for your trailer. Does this pig have children? Maybe you could complain to the park owner or social services about this very dirty person? As far as the town getting on you about your mowers was it a one time thing and bang we got you or was it something that you knew about for years with lots of warnings. Maybe you stepped on someones toes and they are getting back at you. Or the zoneing offerer had a bad day and didn't like your looks and said **** to the man with the mowes in his yard?? Hard only knowing only one side of the story. If it helps I am on your side and I don't see where you snapped at me. I am a big boy and can take a little snapping at seeing am married.

Jul 25, 2011#31

twall

Nope - was a BANG! one time deal. No warning.

As far as refuse man, he is 50-something and single, on SSI, because of some BS reason.

Like I said origianlly, this inspector comes around when the court SENDS him out, because DWI's and speeding tickets are down. (The price of the Ad Council, I suppose)

I apprecate your sympathy, but it's done. I am in submission and accordance to the will of Big Brother now.

Next, he'll want my watches........'cause he heard I enjoy THEM, too.......

Jul 25, 2011#32

173abn

twall,sorry to hear that big brother is messing with you.they messed with my dad about some antique car parts he had and the paint he had on his garage.I'm glad I live out in the country .The only ones that mess with me are the "revenuners" and they only show up every 5yrs. or so.they stay out in the road now to take pics. of any improvements I 've made cause I tod them what I think of them yrs ago when I seen em around my outbuildings w/o my knowledge.I told them next time they better let me know they were around or my friend Winchester would be siced on them...russ

Jul 25, 2011#33

twall

Thanks, 173.

I wish I had the money to live in the woods, or a flat in the woods, or something. This just has really mesed with my head. There is no recourse. I can do nothing legally but submit. I really know what kinda country I live in now.

It ain't "theeeeee laaaaand of the freeeeeeee.....". This has made me really deeply mad, and I can't do a damned thing about it. That will fester - I dunno quite how to get rid of it before it poisons me. This is not the country I grew up in. It's so much more controlling. When I was a kid, nobody bothered us. Now, BB is everywhere. All about the money, and how they can take more from me to give to someone else. I am all for helping those in need, but WOW. THey are digging to the poorer among us, to help people who are worth more than me. It's sick and twisted, and reality just ain't reality anymore......I'm confused.

This ain't just watching CNN or FOX. This is REAL. It ain't nice.

Jul 25, 2011#34

Briana

Wow, Twall, I'm so sorry to hear that! :frown:

Jul 25, 2011#35

reynoldston

twall said:
Nope - was a BANG! one time deal. No warning.

As far as refuse man, he is 50-something and single, on SSI, because of some BS reason.

Like I said origianlly, this inspector comes around when the court SENDS him out, because DWI's and speeding tickets are down. (The price of the Ad Council, I suppose)

I apprecate your sympathy, but it's done. I am in submission and accordance to the will of Big Brother now.

Next, he'll want my watches........'cause he heard I enjoy THEM, too.......

First of all did this go to court and what did you plea. Are you breaking a law and I am sure you know this or not. What in the world is going on in your court system that they need to send out the code officer for money. Now what has DWI's and speeding tickets got to do with your lawn mowers in your lawn. Something just don't sound right and does the district attorney go along with this. It looks like the district attorney needs to be voted out. It's a good thing they are not doing this to me because it would be lawyer and court time if I know I am in the right. It would be a out of county lawer also. I would also want it to go higher then a town court. You have no money I am sure you can get some help somewhere seeing your pig neighbor gets help.. Lets hope we still have some rights against dishonest government.

Jul 30, 2011#36

O

Oddball

JDgreen said:
Believe me, there will be an entire book full of regulations about what size he can build, where he can build, and if he wants to build something that does not comply with the local codes (the book above) he will have to pay for and ask permission for a variance which is time consuming and expensive and the odds of everyone who lives nearby approving his variance are not very good. My cop neighbor next door wanted a good size pre built storage shed delivered to his property, he told me that in order for it to be legal (minimum distance from property line) he had to first apply for a variance then go thru the process of having his other neighbors within 300 feet approve it, or, he could simply ask me, the mean, grumpy old fart, if he could just have it eight feet too close to the property line between us. Took me ten seconds to say "you have my permission" and offer my hand to seal the deal. Why can't more neighbors be like me? :confused2:

That's all well and good until some city/county employee driving by notices the shed looks to be a little too close to the line, or until one of you sells and a survey is made and the new person is a stickler for the rules. My fence is 12 feet into our neighbor's property. He doesn't care as he actually has two lots. The one between us is wooded and couldn't be built on and was combined into his property. That's the one my fence is one. While he doesn't care, the next owners might and I'll have to move it. At least in my case its a fence and not something that might be concidered a permanent structure, so the county doesn't care. I do agree though that so much stuff that used to be handled with a nod and a handshake now seemingly takes an act of congress to be permitted.

And Twall. That bites man. I hate it for you. The only time I've ever had a run-in with code enforcement I knew I was violating the code and likely would have complained myself if it had been a neighbor. Though unlike the person that turned me in, I wouldn't have been a coward and would have said something to them first rather than going straight to the county.

Jul 30, 2011#37

JDgreen

Oddball said:
That's all well and good until some city/county employee driving by notices the shed looks to be a little too close to the line, or until one of you sells and a survey is made and the new person is a stickler for the rules. My fence is 12 feet into our neighbor's property. He doesn't care as he actually has two lots. The one between us is wooded and couldn't be built on and was combined into his property. That's the one my fence is one. While he doesn't care, the next owners might and I'll have to move it. At least in my case its a fence and not something that might be concidered a permanent structure, so the county doesn't care. I do agree though that so much stuff that used to be handled with a nod and a handshake now seemingly takes an act of congress to be permitted.

And Twall. That bites man. I hate it for you. The only time I've ever had a run-in with code enforcement I knew I was violating the code and likely would have complained myself if it had been a neighbor. Though unlike the person that turned me in, I wouldn't have been a coward and would have said something to them first rather than going straight to the county.

Good point there, and if the shed he has was built on a permanent foundation I would have made him stick to the rules. But it is built in a way it can be easily moved so I gave him permission.

Jul 30, 2011#38

BKBrown

I'm still curious to find out if it was Town or County idiots that did this to TWall ?

On the buildings and distance from property lines - The reason given to me about that (where I used to live) was so that in an emergency situation fire or power equipment would have access to the rear of all properties. If there was at least 12' of clear passage on one side so they could access front and back of all buildings, the requirement was met.

Jul 30, 2011#39

JDgreen

BKBrown said:
I'm still curious to find out if it was Town or County idiots that did this to TWall ?

On the buildings and distance from property lines - The reason given to me about that (where I used to live) was so that in an emergency situation fire or power equipment would have access to the rear of all properties. If there was at least 12' of clear passage on one side so they could access front and back of all buildings, the requirement was met.

Makes sense to me, thanks for sharing that. However, how do trees figure into the equation? How would fences figure in? They built three new homes south of me at the same time, trees and a LEGAL outbuilding completely block access to the rear of the center one, and the third one two houses down from my cop neighbor has no room on one side and the trees and fence block access on the other side.

If we go by your 12 foot regulation, the illegal shed my neighbor has is actually the only space that permits access, probably because there is another 75 feet of my yard on that side.

Not being critical of your post, but it did seem confusing...I have a friend who is on my Township Board, will ask her if she knows anything about the subject.

Jul 30, 2011#40

BKBrown

The 12' access was just in the County where I lived at the time and included trees.

I'm sure that different Counties and Towns/Cities have different regulations.

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