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MTD front wheel bushings

Dec 8, 2018#1

Ronno6

Who out there has replaced the plastic front wheel bearings on MTD tractors with oilite or super oilite bushings?

Like the 941-0990 and 941-0516 outside bush??
I hope those are the correct #'s,,,
For MTD 14AR808K731
I see parts listing for complete wheel/tire assy...gotta dig deeper..

How about something like this: https://www.mcmaster.com/5905k27
Would the lack of spindle hardening be a problem?

Dec 8, 2018#2

BlazNT

Ronno6 said:
Who out there has replaced the plastic front wheel bearings on MTD tractors with oilite or super oilite bushings?

Like the 941-0990 and 941-0516 outside bush??
I hope those are the correct #'s,,,
For MTD 14AR808K731
I see parts listing for complete wheel/tire assy...gotta dig deeper..

I almost always go to the hardware store and change bushings to brass.

Dec 8, 2018#3

Ronno6

BlazNT said:
I almost always go to the hardware store and change bushings to brass.

Whacha think of needle bearings??

Dec 8, 2018#4

Boobala

Hell Ron I couldn't even find any bushings in the diagrams.....

Dec 8, 2018#5

Ronno6

Ronno6 said:
I hope those are the correct #'s,,,
For MTD 14AR808K731
I see parts listing for complete wheel/tire assy...gotta dig deeper..

Boobala said:
Hell Ron I couldn't even find any bushings in the diagrams.....

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Me neither...............
I gotta look at my stash. Sure I have some, but I know the spindle is .75" (that's 3/4" for you,Boo...:wink

Dec 8, 2018#6

Boobala

I just checked wheel & tire states plastic bushing in wheel, NO other info...

Dec 8, 2018#7

BlazNT

Ronno6 said:
Whacha think of needle bearings??

If you can find a small enough set then I am all for it. My problem is finding and getting them with in the time needed.

Dec 8, 2018#8

Ronno6

BlazNT said:
If you can find a small enough set then I am all for it. My problem is finding and getting them with in the time needed.

https://www.mcmaster.com/5905k27

What time frame is that??

Dec 8, 2018#9

B

bertsmobile1

Ronno6 said:
Whacha think of needle bearings??

Needle rollers really should only be inside things that are fully enclosed.
A very small amount of dust can jamb the rollers then you have a steel on steel bearing.

Needle rollers are usually open and run direction on the shaft ( no inner race so the shafts need to be GROUND round and better than 75R hard.

Dec 8, 2018#10

Ronno6

bertsmobile1 said:
Needle rollers really should only be inside things that are fully enclosed.
A very small amount of dust can jamb the rollers then you have a steel on steel bearing.

Needle rollers are usually open and run direction on the shaft ( no inner race so the shafts need to be GROUND round and better than 75R hard.

Yeah, I kinda figgered the axle needed to be hardened........
Looks like I.m goin' bronze.
Thanks, Bert man!

Maybe I can figger a way to use a 3/4" x 8" shoulder bolt for the axle......

Dec 8, 2018#11

BlazNT

Ronno6 said:
https://www.mcmaster.com/5905k27

What time frame is that??

Sorry wrong bearings. I am losing my mind.

Dec 8, 2018#12

Ronno6

BlazNT said:
Sorry wrong bearings. I am losing my mind.

Of ALL the things in life I have lost,.....................I miss my MIND the most!

Dec 9, 2018#13

Boobala

Ronno6 said:
Of ALL the things in life I have lost,.....................I miss my MIND the most!

Heard you lost your arse a few times too! ..:laughing:..:laughing:

Dec 9, 2018#14

Ronno6

BlazNT said:
I almost always go to the hardware store and change bushings to brass.

Any specific grade or alloy?
Is one better than another?

Dec 9, 2018#15

Ronno6

Boobala said:
Heard you lost your arse a few times too! ..:laughing:..:laughing:

Sure...but I don't miss that as much as I miss my mind.........

Dec 9, 2018#16

Ronno6

I don't know if it is possible, but would having bronze bushings all the way
thru the hub rather than at the ends provide a better system?

Dec 9, 2018#17

Boobala

Ronno6 said:
I don't know if it is possible, but would having bronze bushings all the way
thru the hub rather than at the ends provide a better system?

I would think, a properly fitted FULL-LENGTH bushing would be a better choice, any room to drill and tap the wheel hub for a zerk..??

Dec 9, 2018#18

Ronno6

Boobala said:
I would think, a properly fitted FULL-LENGTH bushing would be a better choice, any room to drill and tap the wheel hub for a zerk..??

It would have to be drilled at an angle...

McMaster has the bushing stock in 3", 6 1/2" and 13" lengths....
I have to check the bore size thru the hub.

Dec 10, 2018#19

Boobala

Ronno6 said:
It would have to be drilled at an angle...

McMaster has the bushing stock in 3", 6 1/2" and 13" lengths....
I have to check the bore size thru the hub.

Time for some Measuring & Machining, BUT .. the end result may be rewarding, however in your case, you'll probably sit down with a case of Brewski's and say... Screw-It ! .. :laughing:..:laughing:

Dec 12, 2018#20

Ronno6

I received and installed the bronze flange bushings today.
Oilites on the inside and super oilites on the outers. I hope I got that right..
anyway, I had to press them in with the hydraulic press, then had to clean up the spindles
to get them on. A tight fit all the way around. (the old plastic bushings practically fell out...some actually did!)
I made sure to grease things up really well.
Now we see how ling they last..................

Dec 13, 2018#21

Boudreaux In Eunice La.

Ronno6 said:
I received and installed the bronze flange bushings today.
Oilites on the inside and super oilites on the outers. I hope I got that right..
anyway, I had to press them in with the hydraulic press, then had to clean up the spindles
to get them on. A tight fit all the way around. (the old plastic bushings practically fell out...some actually did!)
I made sure to grease things up really well.
Now we see how ling they last..................

Is there enough room in there so grease can permeate / get in between the surfaces ???

Dec 13, 2018#22

BlazNT

Ronno6 said:
Any specific grade or alloy?
Is one better than another?

No because they are not listed like that. They are just in the brass section under bushings.

Dec 13, 2018#23

Ronno6

BlazNT said:
No because they are not listed like that. They are just in the brass section under bushings.

Maybe at the hardware store........
check out the McMaster catalog and see how many grades they offer...............

https://www.mcmaster.com/bushings

Dec 13, 2018#24

Ronno6

Boudreaux In Eunice La. said:
Is there enough room in there so grease can permeate / get in between the surfaces ???

Dunno,Boux.
Probably not at present.
However, I did get oil impregnated bushings. (Sorry, Boobot, you missed yer chance.....)
Maybe after a little honest wear..............

Dec 13, 2018#25

BlazNT

Ronno6 said:
Maybe at the hardware store........
check out the McMaster catalog and see how many grades they offer...............

https://www.mcmaster.com/bushings

I know all about them. I have been using them for over 20 years. I love that website.

Dec 13, 2018#26

Boobala

BlazNT said:
I know all about them. I have been using them for over 20 years. I love that website.

Dec 13, 2018#27

Boobala

Ronno6 said:
Dunno,Boux.
Probably not at present.
However, I did get oil impregnated bushings. (Sorry, Boobot, you missed yer chance.....)
Maybe after a little honest wear..............

NOTHING 2 B sorry about, I DON'T do bushings, BEARINGS ONLY !! .. :laughing:..:laughing:

Dec 13, 2018#28

Ronno6

Boobala said:
NOTHING 2 B sorry about, I DON'T do bushings, BEARINGS ONLY !! .. :laughing:..:laughing:

OVERbearing, I'd say...

Dec 13, 2018#29

BlazNT

Boobala said:
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I was talking about the web site. WOW just WOW.

Dec 13, 2018#30

Boobala

BlazNT said:
I was talking about the web site. WOW just WOW.

N I was just bustin your ...??? onions .. ??? .. :laughing:..:laughing:

Dec 13, 2018#31

Boobala

Ronno6 said:
OVERbearing, I'd say...

OVER bearing, UNDER bearing, INNER bearing, OUTER bearing, with lube, without lube, high speed, low speed, tapered, roller, ball, or needle, me no care me .. :laughing:..:laughing:

Dec 14, 2018#32

Boudreaux In Eunice La.

Boobala said:
OVER bearing, UNDER bearing, INNER bearing, OUTER bearing, with lube, without lube, high speed, low speed, tapered, roller, ball, or needle, me no care me .. :laughing:..:laughing:

Now you sounding like a Coonie just like me yeah ~!~! LMAO ........

Dec 14, 2018#33

Boobala

Boudreaux In Eunice La. said:
Now you sounding like a Coonie just like me yeah ~!~! LMAO ........

ME no know, what a "Coonie" B .. ???.. :confused3:

Dec 14, 2018#34

BlazNT

Boobala said:
ME no know, what a "Coonie" B .. ???.. :confused3:

"Coonie" is a nickname for the term "Coonass" which is a popular term for a Cajun

Dec 14, 2018#35

Boobala

BlazNT said:
"Coonie" is a nickname for the term "Coonass" which is a popular term for a Cajun

OH ... one of those Looozzeeeannnaahhh VOO-DOO folks that lives in the secretive hollows, deep in the hidden swamp country of those bayous .. RIGHT .. ???? .. :laughing:..:laughing:

Dec 14, 2018#36

Ronno6

Boobala said:
OH ... one of those Looozzeeeannnaahhh VOO-DOO folks that lives in the secretive hollows, deep in the hidden swamp country of those bayous .. RIGHT .. ???? .. :laughing:..:laughing:

Well, as usual,Boobot, you have taken a reasonable thread about a technical topic
and hijacked it to a foreign Spanish speaking communist country.

I guess only so much can be said about bushings anyway.

I know a town in north Indiana, which gives drivers the following instruction:
To go right, make 3 lefts.........
Sounds like you were the urban planner for that one (or, Michael Andretti....)

Dec 14, 2018#37

Boobala

Ronno6 said:
Well, as usual,Boobot, you have taken a reasonable thread about a technical topic
and hijacked it to a foreign Spanish speaking communist country.

I guess only so much can be said about bushings anyway.

I know a town in north Indiana, which gives drivers the following instruction:
To go right, make 3 lefts.........
Sounds like you were the urban planner for that one (or, Michael Andretti....)

Ya gotta be in the LEFT turning circles to be in the RIGHT runnin, circles like,.. Daytona, Talladega, Charlotte, Texas Speedway and the many others.. :thumbsup:

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