how do you remove flywheel on Honda H2113HDA rider mower

[Ron Beard]

I have a starter that is not engaging-just spinning. I wanted to take the starter off and replace, but one of the bolts is under the flywheel, so I tried to remove the flywheel. I cannot break it loose. First question-there are four phillip head screws that are countersunk and screw through the outside diameter edge of the flywheel and are located 90 degrees from each other. What are these? Do I need to take these out and what do they hold inside? Second question-I inserted a 3/8" rod into a hole located next to one of the above phillip screws, and put a 3' cheater on my ratchet and only succeeded in bending the rod. OK-the rod was a Harbor Freight pry bar that I cut the end off, so probably not the hardest steel, but still, how do I break the flywheel loose? Or is there another way to fix this starter without taking the flywheel off?

 

[motoman]

I can't help you with the Honda specifics, but learned long ago that breaker bars must be RIGID. The best I have is the Craftsman with an "H" beam confiuration . You can put pipe extensions over it and do real damage. Another thread in this forum recently recommended "good" air hammers.

Also sounds like you're having trouble holding the flywheel during nut loosening. Either take the time to make yourself a holding tool (this forum) or go the air hammer route.

 

[Ron Beard]

Thanks. My compressor is down and I have no air tools, but an impact would be better than my piece of pipe. I will check out the forum on holding tools. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

 

[lawn mower fanatic]

Thanks. My compressor is down and I have no air tools, but an impact would be better than my piece of pipe. I will check out the forum on holding tools. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

WELCOME TO LMF!
If you want some specifics for Honda mowers, there is a user than works at Honda and might reply on Monday.
Good luck! :smile:

 

[bwdbrn1]

I haven't worked on anything that large, but I do know that the shop manuals for the smaller walk behind engines cautions against prying them, or striking them with a hammer.

 

[Ron Beard]

Yes, I don't want to hit it with a hammer either. I have the type of impact tool that you strike with a hammer to break something loose, but I was afraid to use that type of impact. Does anyone know if a hammer impact is a valid option? The flywheel is steel, not aluminum, so I can be a little rougher than normal, but don't want to push what little luck I do have.

 

[bwdbrn1]

There's two recommended methods for removing the flywheels on the walk behinds I've worked on. One involves using a harmonic puller. Like these.
harmonic puller - Google Search

The flywheel is on an electric start engine, and the flywheel has the teeth around the outer edge to engage the starter. It might be a lot like yours. The flywheel has threaded holes around the PTO. Thread the right sized bolts into them, then pulling pressure is applied by the center bolt in the puller. This kind of puller is used so as not to damage the teeth for the starter.


The other method is for rope start engines that don't have the toothed flywheel. That method involves using a two jawed jaw puller. The jaws go under the edges of the flywheel, and again the upward force is applied by the center bolt of the puller against the PTO shaft.
http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=jaw+puller&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

I don't believe I'd go banging on anything just yet. I can only imagine how much it would cost to replace your flywheel. Worse yet, you bugger up the end of the PTO! It might pay to pick up a copy of the shop manual for your mower to learn the recommended method. Or, wait an maybe the Honda guy will be around to answer your question.

 

[Ron Beard]

Thanks, but I am not that far yet. I have both type of gear pullers, and the top is threaded for a harmonic pulley. My first problem (and I am sure there will be more) is I cannot break the nut loose on top of the flywheel so I can pull the flywheel off. I have not been able to break it using a three foot cheater pipe, do not think I should resort to a hammer struck impact tool yet, and have no pneumatic access outside of loading it up and hauling a dead mower somewhere. Does anyone know the best way to hold the flywheel to try to break it loose, or does anyone know what the four phillip screws on the outside edges actually screw into? I looked at a schematic, but could not see anything. I am taking this as a personal challenge that I can get this thing off, which probably means I will end up breaking something.

 

[bwdbrn1]

O.K., I've got a better picture now. I have used the hammer blow impact tool that you're talking about on these things myself. Like this?
http://www.hayabusa.org/forum/attac...-fused-starter-clutch-cover-impact-driver.jpg

I'm going to guess the nut has a flange on the side that comes into contact with the flywheel.

So the flywheel is turning as you try to turn the nut. One trick I've used for holding them in place is to take the spark plug out, turn the engine to get the piston down a ways, then thread a length of nylon rope into the cylinder. In fact, that method is described in the shop manual for the Kawasaki engine on a John Deere 14SB mower I have for doing just that sort of thing. Then as you turn the flywheel, the piston moves up against the rope and it cushions the piston while preventing it from turning past Top Dead Center. Then you might go ahead and use the impact tool on it. Just remember, as I tend to forget sometimes depending on my orientation to the nut, lefty loosey.

So far as the phillips screws, I've no idea what they really hold. The same sort of thing is on the flywheels I've dealt with, and they have nothing to do with holding the flywheel onto the engine.

 

[bwdbrn1]

Looking at this parts diagram, parts 1, 2 and 6 are all held on with the nut, #12. The key #13, is what makes the connection between the flywheel and the end of the crankshaft, and insures proper timing of the ignition. Get the nut off, 1 and 2 should just lift off, then you can put your puller onto the flywheel and get it off. If it's like the ones I've removed, it'll seem like your putting a lot of pressure on the puller, and the flywheel will just sort of pops. Sometimes I swear I just broke something.

http://www.boats.net/images/diagrams/honda/147710/ILLUST/7714E/1900A.png

Those phillips screws you're talking about are in that little square looking part on the side of the flywheel.. Those have to do with the magnets that make your spark through the coils. They don't come off.