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Tiger Small Engine

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Guess you’ve never read my previous replies to what is the best push mower to purchase. I used to say that even the cost of the Toro Super Recycler was high, it was a 20 year mower and worth paying the higher price. I no longer can say that. Honda used to make a quality mower, but they have gotten out the that business. Toro Recyler steel deck is a good mower, but not close to the Super Recycler. For me to now say this is the mower I would now recommend, I would to say “it’s a crap shoot, get what you feel comfortable with”. If you really want an answer, start watching FleaBay, garage sales, Craig’s List, etc. for a Super Recycler built before 2020, and treat it like your first born. As with everything nowadays “They don’t make them like they used to”.
Push and self-propelled mowers two best: Honda and Toro. No hesitation, no caveats, no excuses. Buy a crappy Hyper Tough made by MTD from Walmart and see how many years you get out of that.
 

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I'm not a big fan of the Toro Personal Pace mowers. Sure, they cut okay. However, their cheesy drive system is their weakness. A Snapper Ninja Commercial will run rings around them.
 

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I'm not a big fan of the Toro Personal Pace mowers. Sure, they cut okay. However, their cheesy drive system is their weakness. A Snapper Ninja Commercial will run rings around them.
Duh, tell us something we all, should know LOL. An old real Snapper will do the same. Got a couple from the 1980's that still cut like a laser today.
 

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I'm not a big fan of the Toro Personal Pace mowers. Sure, they cut okay. However, their cheesy drive system is their weakness. A Snapper Ninja Commercial will run rings around them.
How much is a Snapper Ninja commercial mower cost? You can buy a good used Toro for under $200.
 

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How much is a Snapper Ninja commercial mower cost? You can buy a good used Toro for under $200.
Used they go for roughly $350.00 in OKC. There is one with the Kawi FJ-180V in Stillwater for $380.00. That one is cherry clean. I have two Commercials but looking for more.

Personally I would stay far away from a used Toro. They are not near the build of the old Snappers. Especially the Commercial jobs. Good mowers no doubt but not pure bred tanks like the Snappers are.
 

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Got a Dixie Chopper LT2500-50D Silver Eagle 50" built circa 2006 in 2007 and have been abusing it since. Cutting 3.75 acres of grass and small limbs at least twice a month on a tree filled lot and the biggest challenge is keeping the belts replaced. The 25 hp engine is awesome, the steel deck is tough as nails and the frame and front wheel hubs and tires are original. With all of that said, they make smaller mowers with the same quality. May be time to spend a little more and not have to worry about all that stuff.
 

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sorry to hear, thank you for your honesty. Covid and the inflation that followed was a double whammy. People lack the money in general to pay for what it really takes to make a quality product, and all the hard working baby boomers retired out. It has been discussed many times. Stats today came out that one political party in particular now believes with a majority that everything should rely on socialism and it would solve these issues. The 1% will just move their assets somewhere else, and people who aren't willing to work hard won't have much to share. We met two couples from Denmark a few years ago while camping. Had some interesting discussions. Simply put, when a society is really hard working and frugal, there is a lot to go around so sharing it works. When people refuse to work because it is no fun and they believe they have earned more, there is little to share. These couples both told us that Denmark brought in so many immigrants who wanted to participate in receiving but not working, that socialism in their country was showing signs of failing. In the USA, with the 1% taking their huge cut, and those who won't work wanting their share, the middle is really going to get squeezed. Toro is one of those companies being squeezed. If they raise their prices their product is unaffordable for many. But if they continue to let the quality fall - and the hire people who can't or won't do the jobs they were hired for - well that won't work either. I am not at all happy with the Toro products we have purchased in the last five years. They are expensive and are wearing out too fast. At the same time, a 21" mulching rear wheel drive mower from 2006 just keeps going strong.
Chinese castings.....
 

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To all who have followed this forum for a long time, you will know that I have been a strong supporter of the Toro 21” Super Recycler cast deck mower. I am now changing my mind and can no longer do so. Over the Labor Day weekend I went to the local county fair and was talking to the owner of the business I retired from when COVID struck. He informed me that they were no longer stocking or selling these models. For the past three years their quality and backing by Toro has decreased drastically and this spring they returned almost every model in stock to Toro. He told me Toro is trying to resolve these problems, but has seen no progress. I worked for this business for 12+ years and have known this owner for 40 years, whose business is over 75 years old, and fully trust in what he tells me. My apologies to anyone who has used my support to purchased one of these mowers in the passed 3 years, I’m going to try to keep up on this subject, but as I said, I cannot and will not recommend anyone purchase a Toro Super Recycler cast deck mower. Rivets
I always thought Toro was junk anyway. They turned Wheel Horse into trash long ago. My dad was a big fan of toro, i did the fixing of them and seemed like cheap stuff to me decades ago, never got any better. These youtube mower guys are always fixing time cutter models, they seem to come right back in a week or two with another problem.
 
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