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    Cylinder scratches & internal rust on new Vanguard

    Engine warranty length is a good point. It's OBE for me now, but I may call B&S Vanguard and ask when the warranty would start on one of these engines sitting on the shelf for two years. SEW say they're an authorized dealer. Here's their "About Us" blurb: "Family owned since 1974, Small Engine...
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    Cylinder scratches & internal rust on new Vanguard

    It was run at the factory. Spark plugs and valve stems showed signs of combustion. Oil was in the crankcase. B&S Vanguard tech said they were run before shipping, ILEngine confirmed it. Engine was returned, wasn't willing to pay $1100 for a "new" engine with internal rust and scoring. Maybe it...
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    Cylinder scratches & internal rust on new Vanguard

    Okay, now I'm ticked. I left them a one star review last Thursday with a description of what happened. It's gone now, they've had it removed somehow. I had a browser opened on the review page that showed my review since I planned on checking to see if they would leave a response. I looked just...
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    Cylinder scratches & internal rust on new Vanguard

    I had to re-read their response, but given the verb tense they use, it seems they are talking about in the last two years with Covid having wreaked havoc with things. I can't imagine why any manufacturer would normally have their product sit in their own warehouse for a year.
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    Cylinder scratches & internal rust on new Vanguard

    I wasn't expecting DOM of 2/2020. When I reported the problem to SEW and said the engine was "new old stock" vice new, their response was: "It is incredibly rare that you would find an engine to purchase that is built the same year that you're purchasing. That might change a little going...
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    Cylinder scratches & internal rust on new Vanguard

    I just tried zooming and just had noise and pixelation. I don't think resolution is great enough to see what you think you're seeing.
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    Cylinder scratches & internal rust on new Vanguard

    Apparently they need to fog their engines w/ a corrosion prohibitor at the end of the run.
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    Cylinder scratches & internal rust on new Vanguard

    That makes sense in looking at this video. Their process seems pretty robust and although they didn't mention test runs, I could see it being part of their process.
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    Cylinder scratches & internal rust on new Vanguard

    Yeah, kinda sucks being in this position. I can't really justify spending an extra $1200 to put an engine on the wood chipper that I paid too much for w/out the engine being bad. I would have been happy if all was well, but I got taken advantage of and that's that. FWIW, engine was supposed to...
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    Cylinder scratches & internal rust on new Vanguard

    Hmm. Not sure what to make of it at this point. Things change, they could have found a way to do short test runs with tech and process improvements in recent years. This engine had definitely been run, or at least the plugs were used as I could see that they had a slight whitish grey coating...
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    Cylinder scratches & internal rust on new Vanguard

    I forgot that I took a few pictures of the engine and box as proof of condition before the driver took it. I've attached them. The engine is secured in the box at the bottom with a thick piece of cardboard with a cutout for the crankcase to fit in. The top has a similar piece of cardboard that...
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    Cylinder scratches & internal rust on new Vanguard

    I would prefer to order from somewhere else, but $1200 is all I can justify spending. Next cheapest Vanguard I've seen is approximately $1600, not even sure if they are in stock. This engine is a replacement on an older DR wood chipper that I recently bought. The day after I purchased it, I...
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    Cylinder scratches & internal rust on new Vanguard

    Thanks for the feedback. I was also concerned by the little "chunkies" kinda spattered around the cylinder and additional wear that might occur after startup, then be stuck with an iffy engine. This is a company that sells online through their website and ebay. I purchased through ebay b/c this...
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    Cylinder scratches & internal rust on new Vanguard

    I just returned a new 18HP B&S Vanguard (came w/ no muffler) because I noticed rust spots on the exhaust valve stems and upon further examination with a borescope camera found internal rust and some cylinder scratches/scoring. One valve head had heavy rust, the remaining had either light rust or...
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