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Ive got the hrr216k8vya. It has the ability to disengage the blade and idle so it doesn’t have the engine brake pad deal - it’s built into the clutch assembly for the blade system. I was just saying you may want to look for an adjustment on the engine brake before replacing the assembly.

I have the roto-stop clutch version but I’d look to see if you can find an adjustment for the brake.

I think I’d just take it apart and have a look.

Maybe try cleaning it out? I assume when you say "clutch" you mean the blade clutch, not the self propelled drive which is what uses the belt. There are a few components to the blade clutch. It's been a long time since I had mine apart, but these are the points I recall. First - make sure all...

It's 10w-30, but I have always replaced mine with ATF because frankly I've chipped teeth on the factory fill and I figure that ATF is probably a better gear oil. Zero chipped teeth with ATF and I have more time using ATF than factory lube. I don't think it's at all critical. "Brown and slippery"...

Hey guys - sorry I don't check this forum as much as I should... but... good news. I'm now 1/2 way though season 2 on the "original" needle bearing mod as described in the first post with zero maintenance to the drive system. Still working great.

Yeah I thought the grease would work well too... but I think the CORE of the issue is the lack of seals on the drive wheel side because instead of just having a well greased setup, I ended up with a congested packed full of grease AND dirt mess. If we seal it up well enough I suspect even the...

Yep, mine does the same.

You will always have some drag pulling backwards because of the transmission like you said. Freshly cleaned / greased plastic bushings typically do just fine until they get gunked up - unfortunately with no dust seal on the wheel side they can get gunked up crazy fast. About an hour on my yard...

Glad it's been helpful for ya. I made it through my mowing season without needing to touch it. I'm still on the fence if I'll tear it down / re-grease for next year. Civic's ball bearing solution IMHO is the best if you're looking to do it. Robert from Honda took a different job @ Honda as I...

Well, we made it!!! It’s officially over a year on my needle bearings and it’s still working great! Truly an HRR216 record :) I haven’t decided if I’m going to open it up and do fresh grease or run it to failure, but the good news is we’re here and it works! Use Civics ball bearing plan if you...

New mower time. Yours is 12 years old with a very destroyed engine. Send it to the curb.

You got it exactly right. The belt has tightly fitting guides and is impossible to slip off, plus seems to be setup to work from a wide range of angles. Surprisingly the belts last a really long time too.

Thats surprising to hear since the hrx (at least the newer ones) look to actually have dust seals on both sides of the bushing. It SHOULD be better than my HRR. Once you fix this issue though they are pretty decent mowers. Also all brands will have <something > but I agree this one is...

Is it just temporary as the blades come up to speed? If so that's normal. If it drags continuously, you may want to look at the blade clutch to see if there are any broken components in there that could be leaving or keeping the brake partially on. Could also have something jammed in the clutch...

I’m guessing where it’s stored? I keep my fuel and mower in my basement - 65 to 75 F year round.

Odd. 9 seasons on mine and all I’ve ever done is add stabil to my fuel when I buy it, and turn off the fuel valve to run the carb dry. Never had a carb issue.

Nice job!

I had that problem - you need to adjust the unit on the bottom. The tube isn't ALL the way down into the edger gear box.

It's nice isn't it? Believe it or not, with the needle bearings and extra dust seal my Honda will roll backwards too - even on grass! It's like a totally different mower. So far almost a full season and it's perfect without touching it. As long as it stays good I'll stick with it... but that...

That was my "next" fix. Though I'm not sure I can get on board with the personal pace handles so I was looking at the commercial side... this is pretty much what I had in mind as the replacement "in anger" for my consumer Honda. :-) Huge over kill for a < .5 acre lot... but I've spent A LOT of...

I used some teflon dry lube spray. It worked well until it didn't (few mows as I recall). That was the <worst> lockup I've ever had. Whole thing was so hot it seized and would roll backwards at all and would kill the motor engaging self propelled. Graphite powder was far better in my experience...

I know the feeling. Don’t get an iPad, it makes it too easy to use on the couch! Stay safe and healthy too!

As far as I know, yes. Just make sure you get extra dust seals and epoxy them to the wheel side of the bushing. That is looking like a good and easy option.

Yeah, I mean it’s carburetor with a traditional bowl / float setup. If you tilt it over its going to spill fuel. If you do it with the carb side down it’s just going to pour out and continue until the fuel tank is about empty. You’ll also potentially get oil from the crankcase vent in the air...

Hey no worries we’re all here for each other. There is a TON of misinformation regarding how to fix this problem so I just try to correct / clarify anything that looks off. If you want a good laugh / sad engineering prowess... checkout all the YouTube videos that recommend cleaning the pinion...

The majority of the issues I’ve seen and have been discussed here are caused by gunk getting in the axle bushings. In my case I’ve been able to gunk up bushings in as few as 1-2 hours... I suspect this is why people don’t think it’s the fix. The problem is that the design is fundamentally flawed...

Never tip the mower carb side down. If you need the mower on it’s side try to run it down to less than half a tank then tip it carb side up only. You shouldn’t see fuel escape mowing, so not sure what’s going on there unless some residual was somehow still in the air box.

Gotcha, I see what you mean. Just wanted to make sure it was clear. :)

That is incorrect. If it does lock up going forward you have a problem with the ratcheting gear on the drive shaft.

Sure, it’s disposable without a doubt. With that said they do seem to hold up well in general and will probably out last the mower deck. Worst case replacement can done with a $100 harbor freight predator motor which is also disposable.

Given the mower hasn’t been out for even a year I can’t imagine Honda denying warranty coverage. I’d call them and make them fix their problem.

For $400 bux you can get a brand new HRN216VKA. I’d do that. The hrr models have self propelled issues that are likely resolved with the hrn. If you want vintage that’s fine too, but just realize you may have to catch up someone else’s lack of maintenance and potentially hunt parts if they...

Glad to hear these ideas are working. As an update my mower is still flawless after nearly a full season of mowing twice a week since I converted and added the extra seal. So far so good here too.

Its not a solution, unless you like potentially destroying your self propelled. Honestly if you don’t want self propelled just take the sprocket off. It’ll always pull backwards perfectly then. The website looks like clickbait.

Congratulations and keep up the great work on recovery and thank you for your service. I know it’s a crazy tough road and I have nothing but respect for you for fighting the good fight. Please keep it up and I know you can do it! Regard the HRN, I know you don’t want to hear it, but it is a new...

I kinda thought the whole thing was scammy click bait. I can’t see how flipping the key upside down would do anything except increase wear. The act of greasing the gear on the shaft however could solve the problem (which is a completely different issue than the pulling backwards one). Basically...

Yep, make Honda fix that. It’s their issue, but I have not seen others complain of the same, so hopefully isolated.

Nice! Thank you for the offer, I’ve got a whole assortment though so I’ve probably got one that will fit. I’ll give it a go next time I take mine apart. Thanks!

I dunno, I think there is a good chance the oillite bushings will work well. If you notice the biggest difference in design between the HRX and all the other models is that the hrx actually gets a dust seal on BOTH sidesof the bushing. Regarding ATF, I know it’s the wrong stuff, but the “right...

Regarding cleaning - I use my leaf blower to blow it off. I wash it every few years... maybe. As long as you’re not mowing in the rain it gets it pretty clean. I don’t worry about the underside of the deck. I’ve not had any rust issues. Mild surface rust at worst. And no problem- I’m hoping we...

I really think the seals are a must with the needle bearings considering how much junk gets in there without them. I was gumming up the bushings in just a couple mows.

Nope, it was in good shape and has never leaked.

That’s what I’m really starting to wonder myself. For now my setup is still doing great and I’m not touching it, but I’d be tempted to try just an extra seal next time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oilite

It wouldn't surprise me if you're still getting dust and gunk in past the outer portion where the dust cover goes against the wheel. I wonder if there is room to felt line that larger area as well.

I go back and forth probably 50/50. The more I think about it I really think sealing up the side is the real secret. Civics felt idea is really good. Combine that with the extra seal and the plastic bushings maybe good enough. I do believe bearings are better, but may not be as critical as the seal.

Ah my bad. I couldn’t get a sense of scale there. Not sure then.

That looks perfect. That combined with the felt is probably the most bulletproof setup there is. I predict years of trouble free use with it.

I believe the spring is for your pinion gear on axle. See which side doesn’t click when you turn the wheels forward. You need that for sure. You maybe only one wheel drive without it. Also nice job getting the bearings done! If it helps, mine is still holding up great. Zero issues since Late...