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jenkinsph

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Giles,

I put in alot of log sets for my customers and have had good success with Hargrove Select looks like sprit oak. You should look for some of these to see how you like them. Very good detail and appearance.
 

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I'm just sorry that this subject has to be talked about at all....It does, but heck. We used to lead the world, which lead to our being the rich country with the consumers, which lead to consumers wanting to keep their money so looked for cheap, which lead to oriental "gentlemen" clambering to manufacture anything we wanted "vewy vewy cheeeppp" which lead to our becoming a poor country with a bad economy, which lead to our manufacturers having to go over to the Chinese to be able to compete and survive............which lead to our having to have a discussion about american made over foreign made.

just wish it wasn't so..........
 

Giles

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I don't think the majority of consumers want cheap stuff at a cheap price:thumbsup:
I believe GREED from manufacturers have killed this country.
Like, for instance, you have a profitable company manufacturing a quality product using American workers in America. You discover you can have the same???? product manufactured in a foreign country and greatly increase your profit:thumbsup::thumbsup:, after all, you have a trusted--well known name:thumbsup:
You discover your product doesn't need five screws or does it need to be manufactured with that "thick" metal:frown: You see more GREEN in your pocket:thumbsup::thumbsup:
Consumers still buy the inferior product and never notice:mad:
Our great leaders of this country could have stopped, or slowed down, this practice before it was too late, if they had been smart enough:frown:
The leaders of this country may not have directly caused this decline (disappearance) of American made products--but they did little to contain it:mad:
What is really scary is--If we go to a full-scale war, who is going to manufacture our defense equipment ????:eek::eek:
 

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What is really scary is--If we go to a full-scale war, who is going to manufacture our defense equipment ????:eek::eek:



A huge problem and concern for all of us here, we are in bad shape and without correcting the problem now we will surely loose.
 

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Back when I was making my living with my tools the only tools I would buy was Snap-on because they were the best and a broken tool was no good when you needed it. When you have a warranty and a tool is broken what good is the warranty so Snap-on was the only tools I could afford because they wouldn't break.

I have a rather large inventory of Snap-on and MATCO tools. I always wince when I buy something new in their product line, and almost always smile when I use it, even 30+ years later.:biggrin: I usually don't confuse a low price with necessarily being a good value, especially when it comes to something I really care about.:wink:
I had an experience with a set of Harbor Freight:rolleyes:end wrenches, made in India, about 23 years ago that drove the lesson home. I was working on one of two boats we shipped to the Valdez oil spill, putting in a new fuel filter on an engine. The jaws of the open end spread, dropping all the cheap chrome plating into the newly cleaned assembly.:mad::thumbdown:

That was the last time I ever conciously chose to try out something that had a "suggested retail price" printed on the packaging..:laughing:

Later in the same afternoon, after I'd settled down, drank about 15 beers and had a half bucket of Colonel Sanders' original recipe, the whole set of wrenches went in to Lake Union, slowly, tossed one by one over my shoulder..:thumbsup:
 

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UH OH! I just got Indian made combination wrenches....... probably made by the same company... $15 for a set that would be $100 if it was better quality........

And I'm pretty sure we make our own war weapons.... if we don't then yes we are in trouble! :eek:
 

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One company I love is TURFCO mfg. all made in the u.s. lawn care equipment for contractors and golf courses.
 

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The global economy seems to be forcing us to change the way we look at things because it's changing the way things are getting done. Don't get me wrong here. I consider myself to be as patriotic as the next guy. I was in a store the other day and went out of my way to find a product that had Made in the U.S.A. printed on it. Half an hour later, I found one! Not only made in the U.S., but made in my home state to boot! But it wasn't anything I needed.

I worked in an all makes motorcycle repair shop this last summer. We had a customer order up a new set of tires for his American branded motorcycle, and he paid extra to get tires that had the motorcycle brand name and Made in the U.S.A. stamped on the sidewall. I didn't have the heart to tell him that when I got the old tire off of the rims, they had "Made in Italy" stamped on the inside where you couldn't see it until you had the tire off the rim.

I live a stone's throw away from the John Deere Corporate Headquarters. Can't think of too many things more American than a John Deere tractor. Reports from them are in our local papers all the time. They enjoyed record profits in the last quarter! Woo hoo, good for us. Then the next story you read is how they're building factories in Russia, China and India. Again, woo hoo, good for us.

Each of the mowers I own have Made In The U.S.A. molded onto the engine. They're manufactured in Swensonville, NC. The brand is Honda. This is a map of Honda facilities in the U.S.
http://corporate.honda.com/america/2011 HIA Brochure Map_FINAL.pdf

I just copied these excerpts from the Honda Worldwide page;

"Honda manufactures approximately 500 thousand lawnmowers per year in the United States, France, Australia, China and Italy*, and supplies them to Australia and other countries in addition to the two largest markets: North America and Europe. Local production began at an early stage, starting in the United States in 1984 and in France in 1986, in accordance with our policy of producing products where they are in demand. We currently also conduct research and development locally. The lawnmowers sold in Japan are produced in the United States and France."

"Honda annually provides approximately five million general-purpose engines, which are manufactured in six countries, to 86 countries around the world as the power source for various machines used in construction, industry, agriculture, home gardening and other applications such as generators, tillers and lawn mowers, as well as various handheld devices including hedge trimmers."

"Honda produces approximately 50 thousand snow throwers in Japan and the United States, supplying them to markets in Japan, North America and Europe."

I suppose there's probably folks in Japan who wish they could find a mower made in Japan. I know a few years ago I tried to get some information about a Japanese made motorcycle from a Japanese forum specific to that model. I contacted the forum's administrator first to ask if I could. I think something got lost in the translation, as his message back sad he "challenged" me to go ahead and post, but he gave me the O.K. Turns out I p.o.ed a fair number of the forum members, some of whom said they were tired of seeing the English language! Seems when I look at pictures of Japan, many signs are in both Japanese and English, similar to what I'm seeing around where I live with both English and Spanish.

Yeah, I sure wish everything I bought was made in the U.S.A., but the definition of what that is seems to be getting kind of blurry.
 

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bwdbrn1,

You bring up some good points. Do you feel we should be more active or passive regarding the loss of control over our manufacturing? I would like to see us reclaim some of the lost ground.
 

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I'd love to see our control of manufacturing return, but here's a reality I've witnessed, and I'm sure others in other parts of the country have better stories they could share. I live in Rock Island, IL and I'm old enough to remember when the area here referred to itself as the "Agricultural Equipment Capitol of the World". I haven't heard that phrase since I don't know when. Rock Island is right on the Mississippi river across from Davenport, IA. Time was, there is a stretch of road here on the Illinois side, you could start at one end, drive to the other, and along the way pass factories of J.I.Case, the Farmall tractor, John Deere Plow and Planter, International Harvester's combine works, and John Deere's combine works, just to name some. Now the Case plant is a freight warehouse. The Farmall plant is gone with only a few buildings left. John Deere still manufactures planters and hydraulics and the combine works has been featured on the History Channel's mega factory series, but the IH combine works is an empty lot that stretches out for acres and they're trying to develop it into something else. In downtown Moline, IL, where many manufacturing facilities used to be, there are "trendy" little shops selling concrete statues, children's books and overpriced coffee. John Deere once had huge foundries on both the Illinois and Iowa side of the river here. They both sit empty because John Deere came up with a more profitable source of the materials they produced. Caterpillar is another brand that has roots in my area, but they're constantly moving and changing things.

I'm also old enough to remember driving past the front gate of the Farmall plant and seeing the workers huddled around burn barrels to keep warm while sitting on their picket line on strike. Not long after that, they got a new contract and there was a building blitz brought on by a huge contract from China for agricultrual tractors. Their shipping area was filled to capacity with shinny red tractors waiting to be hauled off. Wasn't too long after those shipping lots were empty that Case bought out IH, came and took what they wanted from the factory and closed the doors. Now one of the largest employers in the area is the Rock Island Arsenal located on an island in the river between Illinois and Iowa, but every time there's a government fiscal re-alignment, they talk about cutbacks and closures there. As another point of interest, if you look at that Honda facilities in the U.S. map I linked in my earlier post, you'll see they have a parts distribution center in Davenport, IA. That started out in a small building next to what used to be the J.I.Case factory in Rock Island I mentioned. They out grew it and built the huge building they occupy now, and employ a lot more people as well.

Popular past time around these parts now is bashing government employees for the wages and benefits they get, but back in the day, all the factory workers around here got far better pay and benefits than any body else. Nobody bashed them, they set the standard for the rest of the community. So, now the factories are gone, taking the jobs with them, and the governments are crying that they're broke because they can't afford what they're paying their employees. The City of Moline is considering letting 12 firefighter/paramedics go and privatizing the ambulance service. If it gets passed, there will be no limit to municipal lay offs here, and the jobs will go to employment services. Good for a city's budget, I suppose, but what of the workers that lost their jobs who are also consumers? Their ability to buy anything, where made in America or Tim-Buck-To will be affected.

I was recently talking to my local Honda Power Equipment dealer. He owns the business, which was started years ago by his father, back in the day when they sold only "American" made lawn care equipment in their shop. He has seen the quality of equipment from Honda change over the years and knows first hand that Honda has taken to outsourcing it's products from their Japanese facilities, just as American companies have done. Like Honda says on their world page that I posted before, "in accordance with our policy of producing products where they are in demand". Thus, we have Honda factories here in the U.S. and I'm guessing this is the same reason John Deere is building factories in other countries. They are building so that they may produce products where they are in demand.

Good for us that John Deere is building overseas because it solidifies their bottom line, and they are controlling their manufacturing base. But it isn't brining manufacturing and jobs to our area, and honestly doesn't guarantee that the factories they have here will remain open. If they find a cheaper way to produce what they do here, they'll move them, I'm sure. So is it necessarily bad that Honda, or other foreign companies, are building here? I have to say we'd probably jump for joy here in Rock Island if Honda were to come along and say they wanted to build a manufacturing plant on the empty lot where Farmall tractors were once built. I would venture to say that zoning ordinances and building permits would be issued faster than you can say Made in the U.S.A. Mitsubishi builds cars in Normal, IL, a couple of hours from me, and remember that the State of Illinois was absolutely giddy when they did. (I wonder if our governor back then got a cut some how? Oh well, he's in jail now and our last one is headed that way too, but that's another topic for another forum.)

So, in my limited example, John Deere, an American company, is building overseas. Good for their stock holders but the manufacturing jobs aren't here in the U.S. Various Asian and European companies are building factories here, which they control, but employ American workers. Yes, I'd love to see a re-establishment of control of manufacturing, but how can this happen? Seems when somebody farts in a foreign bank, it's smelled on Wall Street, and it what was ate to cause the gas gets speculated about on CNN every hour on the hour.
 
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