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Molerj

I have a small shop that I do lawnmower repairs. Customer brought a John Deere LX 277 with a bad oil leak. Cleaned it up and found it to be leaking from top oil seal,replaced the seal and when I started it there is a vibration. After about a half hour of running it started to seep a little oil from new seal. There is a slight play from side to side on the crankshaft. I believe the top of the crank case cover is worn. There may or may not be a bushing that is pressed in the Kaw FH500V AS11 engine. At any rate, I am not doing a total tear down to find out. Customer would like a new engine. The FH500V is nla. Anyone ever repower with another engine? I'm told the Kaw FH580V S20-S may work. Just have to add a starter solenoid & he said the muffler from the 500V would work. This place sells the Honda engine but at 2000.00, that's a little steep. http://www.repowerspecialists.com/johndeereLX277.php?gclid=CM31lJSLr9ICFZS6wAodVzcGMA That engine can be bought rom other sources for 1200, but the muffler is an issue and repower specialists won't sell it separately (they have it special made), You have to buy the whole kit.


#2

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Lillite

I just put a Honda GXV 630 on my scag. What a difference. Ran about twenty hours before oil change. Oil was pretty clean.

I love the extra power but it does drink more gas. I was saddened to know that my Honda was Chinese built so I’m keeping my fingers crossed. Overall I’m very happy with the engine though. Three year warrantee. Had a slight issue with muffler selection but other than that I’d do it again. Very unhappy with the FH580 that came with the machine. I’ll never by another Kawasaki utility motor. The folks at Repower are great to work with as well.


#3

Scrubcadet10

Scrubcadet10

Yep, I looked in the parts list and a new block is $431, and no bushing,

According to smalllenginewharehouse.com these 2 Kawasaki engine will fit
http://www.smallenginewarehouse.com/FH580V-S11.html?sc=17&category=1709158
http://www.smallenginewarehouse.com/FH580V-S20-S.html?sc=17&category=1709158

If you decide to use another manufacturer, here is the crank spec, 1"x3-5/32"

EDIT: ha, stupid me, I didn't even notice the OP date...��


#4

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bertsmobile1

There is noting to worry about your Honda.
People conflate the trash that AMERICAN COMPANIES contract Chinese factories to make for sale to the stupid public with companies that INVEST in China & Build their own factories there.
Chinese factories make what they are paid to make .
As for November last year China had more satellites in orbit than any other country and by the end of next year ,more than the rest of the world combined.
Honda power products have 4 factories in China , Honda motors have another 5 including a purpose built university dedicated to automotive research.

Fueled by executive greed and pubic cheapness the USA is doing in China exactly what they did in Japan , Korea, Singapore ( more British ) what failed in the Philapines.
The big difference is China is a massive country so the EU & even tiny Aus are all doing the same thing.
So in the not too distant future expect to see most of the best products in the world coming from China.
Right now the entire world is starting to pay the real price of sourcing all the cheap products from China , factories are closing down, unemployment is increasing and most companies profits are flat, excluding the likes of Amazon & Google & Face Book.
Real living standards in the west are dropping but we are so obsessed with paying less for our nic nacs we have become blind to it.


#5

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Lillite

There is noting to worry about your Honda.
People conflate the trash that AMERICAN COMPANIES contract Chinese factories to make for sale to the stupid public with companies that INVEST in China & Build their own factories there.
Chinese factories make what they are paid to make .
As for November last year China had more satellites in orbit than any other country and by the end of next year ,more than the rest of the world combined.
Honda power products have 4 factories in China , Honda motors have another 5 including a purpose built university dedicated to automotive research.

Fueled by executive greed and pubic cheapness the USA is doing in China exactly what they did in Japan , Korea, Singapore ( more British ) what failed in the Philapines.
The big difference is China is a massive country so the EU & even tiny Aus are all doing the same thing.
So in the not too distant future expect to see most of the best products in the world coming from China.
Right now the entire world is starting to pay the real price of sourcing all the cheap products from China , factories are closing down, unemployment is increasing and most companies profits are flat, excluding the likes of Amazon & Google & Face Book.
Real living standards in the west are dropping but we are so obsessed with paying less for our nic nacs we have become blind to it.


Exactly! My issue is the stolen technology dilemma. That and metallurgy. I’ve seen some real low quality out of China too. They may have space technology but I’m not convinced the quality is there across the board. I’m also not a fan of giving away secrets to a country who wants to dominate the world.

Ref living standards, I always thought when their people demanded our level of living standard, prices would stabilize and we’d be more competitive but I think our standards will drop to compete with all the influx of labor through immigration.


#6

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bertsmobile1

Exactly! My issue is the stolen technology dilemma. That and metallurgy. I’ve seen some real low quality out of China too. They may have space technology but I’m not convinced the quality is there across the board. I’m also not a fan of giving away secrets to a country who wants to dominate the world.

Ref living standards, I always thought when their people demanded our level of living standard, prices would stabilize and we’d be more competitive but I think our standards will drop to compete with all the influx of labor through immigration.

Quite true and the American, Australian, German, British , ( add almost any country that you like ) business men ( it is always men ) who bought a top shelf locally made produce then sent it to China ( add any other third world country you like ) with the instructions "make me 1,000,000 of these cheap cheap..,
should go to gaol for 100 years .
Same for every CEO, MD or board who decided to increase the profit : equity ratio to justifing paying themselves massive bonuses by outsourcing to third world countries , or perhaps just shoot them on the spot.

The popular misconception is China send spies out world wide to steal production & product secrets , then makes cheap copies which they dump on local markets.
This is 100% wrong. Chinese factories only manufacture to order so every cheap nasty Chinese knock off was ordered by a local company before the factory even thought about making it.

The exception is semi finished product like steel sheet, rolled stock or extrusion.

As for the low quality of a lot of stuff. THEY MAKE THE QUALITY THEY ARE ASKED TO MAKE.
And the problem lies with Standards Authorities and "small government - low taxes philosophy" where the responsibility for quality control & compliance with internal standards have been outsourced to private enterprise in place of having government inspectors turn up at the importer test then fail substandard materials forcing them to be returned or scrapped.

Also like Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Korea etc etc etc , when you start to make things, you work out there are ways to make it better.
You don't have to steal anything to do this.
The problem is executives now days have all come from the Harvard School of management and never spent a micro second on a shop floor so they have no understanding of dynamics of the production/design interaction.
From the "all management is the same regardless of what the company does" perspective there is a total disconnect between manufacture & design.
Design is the sole prerogative of well educated white men form good home & good schools in the upper class.
Production is the domain of the ignorant, poorly educated lower class who don't have the intellect to design a paper clip.
Thus if one of those inferior working classes suddenly make a better product they have stolen it from us.

As for world domination they are not interested.
If nothing, the Chinese government reads, understands & respects history.
They have effectively destroyed the economy of most of the western world, using the greed of the western world to do it.
Right now China holds better than 30% of all USA government debt .
Right now China has double their currencies worth of gold reserves and is rapidly heading to make it 3 times where as the USA gold reserves are at less than 10%
China & Russia hold just under 70% of the worlds gold reserves.
Last year China set up their own crude oil futures market and should it take over from NY as the dominant oil futures market then the need for the rest of the world to hold US dollars will vanish overnight and thus the value of the US dollar will plummet.
Thus the debt of the USA government to China will become orders of magnitude larger .
Last year the Chinese economy overtook Japan becoming the second largest economy with the USA being number one.
However the difference between the two is simply the USA defence budget so once China starts to sell more arms to the third world countries currently supplied by the USA, China will be come the largest economy in the world.

There was an interesting paper oddly enough that came out of Harvard which linked the rise & fall of empires to the percentage of GDP that a country spent on defence and the USA passed that nearly 5 years ago.
When a country spends more on protecting it's vested interest than the wealth they produce you are then on a path to decline and no amount of singing Rule Britannia or The Star Spangled Banner , no flag saluting or military parades can stop it.
This is exactly what happened to the USSR and what would have happened to Korea if China, the USA & Japan would have allowed it to, but in that case there was a real worry that Korea might actually launch some of the missiles that was sending them broke making.
However the US media trumped that it was a failure of communism making all the US citizens feel warm & comfy about how superior capitalism was rather than the truth that what really happened was on over spend on defence.

And not that it makes any difference but I am a graduate metallurgist ( Non ferrous foundry ) and have watched the exact same management philosophy send Australian industry to the wall.
When I graduated we were number 12 in foundry now we do not register in the top 100.
The only real difference between you & us is we have a small population so for the time being what we did out of the ground covers our short sighted stupidity, but it will come home to bite us on the bum too, it is just a matter of time.
Our standard of living has been dropping for the last decade while the wealth per household has been rising as has the debt per household.

Very shortly you will be going into the corporate reporting season.
Listen to what is actually reported.
Higher profits from falling total revenue and flat predictions for future growth


#7

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bertsmobile1

Exactly! My issue is the stolen technology dilemma. That and metallurgy. I’ve seen some real low quality out of China too. They may have space technology but I’m not convinced the quality is there across the board. I’m also not a fan of giving away secrets to a country who wants to dominate the world.

Ref living standards, I always thought when their people demanded our level of living standard, prices would stabilize and we’d be more competitive but I think our standards will drop to compete with all the influx of labor through immigration.

Quite true and the American, Australian, German, British , ( add almost any country that you like ) business men ( it is always men ) who bought a top shelf locally made produce then sent it to China ( add any other third world country you like ) with the instructions "make me 1,000,000 of these cheap cheap..,
should go to gaol for 100 years .
Same for every CEO, MD or board who decided to increase the profit : equity ratio to justifing paying themselves massive bonuses by outsourcing to third world countries , or perhaps just shoot them on the spot.

The popular misconception is China send spies out world wide to steal production & product secrets , then makes cheap copies which they dump on local markets.
This is 100% wrong. Chinese factories only manufacture to order so every cheap nasty Chinese knock off was ordered by a local company before the factory even thought about making it.

The exception is semi finished product like steel sheet, rolled stock or extrusion.

As for the low quality of a lot of stuff. THEY MAKE THE QUALITY THEY ARE ASKED TO MAKE.
And the problem lies with Standards Authorities and "small government - low taxes philosophy" where the responsibility for quality control & compliance with internal standards have been outsourced to private enterprise in place of having government inspectors turn up at the importer test then fail substandard materials forcing them to be returned or scrapped.

Also like Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Korea etc etc etc , when you start to make things, you work out there are ways to make it better.
You don't have to steal anything to do this.
The problem is executives now days have all come from the Harvard School of management and never spent a micro second on a shop floor so they have no understanding of dynamics of the production/design interaction.
From the "all management is the same regardless of what the company does" perspective there is a total disconnect between manufacture & design.
Design is the sole prerogative of well educated white men form good home & good schools in the upper class.
Production is the domain of the ignorant, poorly educated lower class who don't have the intellect to design a paper clip.
Thus if one of those inferior working classes suddenly make a better product they have stolen it from us.

As for world domination they are not interested.
If nothing, the Chinese government reads, understands & respects history.
They have effectively destroyed the economy of most of the western world, using the greed of the western world to do it.
Right now China holds better than 30% of all USA government debt .
Right now China has double their currencies worth of gold reserves and is rapidly heading to make it 3 times where as the USA gold reserves are at less than 10%
China & Russia hold just under 70% of the worlds gold reserves.
Last year China set up their own crude oil futures market and should it take over from NY as the dominant oil futures market then the need for the rest of the world to hold US dollars will vanish overnight and thus the value of the US dollar will plummet.
Thus the debt of the USA government to China will become orders of magnitude larger .
Last year the Chinese economy overtook Japan becoming the second largest economy with the USA being number one.
However the difference between the two is simply the USA defence budget so once China starts to sell more arms to the third world countries currently supplied by the USA, China will be come the largest economy in the world.

There was an interesting paper oddly enough that came out of Harvard which linked the rise & fall of empires to the percentage of GDP that a country spent on defence and the USA passed that nearly 5 years ago.
When a country spends more on protecting it's vested interest than the wealth they produce you are then on a path to decline and no amount of singing Rule Britannia or The Star Spangled Banner , no flag saluting or military parades can stop it.
This is exactly what happened to the USSR and what would have happened to Korea if China, the USA & Japan would have allowed it to, but in that case there was a real worry that Korea might actually launch some of the missiles that was sending them broke making.
However the US media trumped that it was a failure of communism making all the US citizens feel warm & comfy about how superior capitalism was rather than the truth that what really happened was on over spend on defence.

And not that it makes any difference but I am a graduate metallurgist ( Non ferrous foundry ) and have watched the exact same management philosophy send Australian industry to the wall.
When I graduated we were number 12 in foundry now we do not register in the top 100.
The only real difference between you & us is we have a small population so for the time being what we dig out of the ground covers our short sighted stupidity, but it will come home to bite us on the bum too, it is just a matter of time.
Our standard of living has been dropping for the last decade while the wealth per household has been rising as has the debt per household.

Very shortly you will be going into the corporate reporting season.
Listen to what is actually reported.
Higher profits from falling total revenue and flat predictions for future growth
Not the sign of a health economy
And you might like to reflect that China spends more on education that imprisonment in the USA it is the other way round.


#8

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Lillite

Quite true and the American, Australian, German, British , ( add almost any country that you like ) business men ( it is always men ) who bought a top shelf locally made produce then sent it to China ( add any other third world country you like ) with the instructions "make me 1,000,000 of these cheap cheap..,
should go to gaol for 100 years .
Same for every CEO, MD or board who decided to increase the profit : equity ratio to justifing paying themselves massive bonuses by outsourcing to third world countries , or perhaps just shoot them on the spot.

The popular misconception is China send spies out world wide to steal production & product secrets , then makes cheap copies which they dump on local markets.
This is 100% wrong. Chinese factories only manufacture to order so every cheap nasty Chinese knock off was ordered by a local company before the factory even thought about making it.

The exception is semi finished product like steel sheet, rolled stock or extrusion.

As for the low quality of a lot of stuff. THEY MAKE THE QUALITY THEY ARE ASKED TO MAKE.
And the problem lies with Standards Authorities and "small government - low taxes philosophy" where the responsibility for quality control & compliance with internal standards have been outsourced to private enterprise in place of having government inspectors turn up at the importer test then fail substandard materials forcing them to be returned or scrapped.

Also like Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Korea etc etc etc , when you start to make things, you work out there are ways to make it better.
You don't have to steal anything to do this.
The problem is executives now days have all come from the Harvard School of management and never spent a micro second on a shop floor so they have no understanding of dynamics of the production/design interaction.
From the "all management is the same regardless of what the company does" perspective there is a total disconnect between manufacture & design.
Design is the sole prerogative of well educated white men form good home & good schools in the upper class.
Production is the domain of the ignorant, poorly educated lower class who don't have the intellect to design a paper clip.
Thus if one of those inferior working classes suddenly make a better product they have stolen it from us.

As for world domination they are not interested.
If nothing, the Chinese government reads, understands & respects history.
They have effectively destroyed the economy of most of the western world, using the greed of the western world to do it.
Right now China holds better than 30% of all USA government debt .
Right now China has double their currencies worth of gold reserves and is rapidly heading to make it 3 times where as the USA gold reserves are at less than 10%
China & Russia hold just under 70% of the worlds gold reserves.
Last year China set up their own crude oil futures market and should it take over from NY as the dominant oil futures market then the need for the rest of the world to hold US dollars will vanish overnight and thus the value of the US dollar will plummet.
Thus the debt of the USA government to China will become orders of magnitude larger .
Last year the Chinese economy overtook Japan becoming the second largest economy with the USA being number one.
However the difference between the two is simply the USA defence budget so once China starts to sell more arms to the third world countries currently supplied by the USA, China will be come the largest economy in the world.

There was an interesting paper oddly enough that came out of Harvard which linked the rise & fall of empires to the percentage of GDP that a country spent on defence and the USA passed that nearly 5 years ago.
When a country spends more on protecting it's vested interest than the wealth they produce you are then on a path to decline and no amount of singing Rule Britannia or The Star Spangled Banner , no flag saluting or military parades can stop it.
This is exactly what happened to the USSR and what would have happened to Korea if China, the USA & Japan would have allowed it to, but in that case there was a real worry that Korea might actually launch some of the missiles that was sending them broke making.
However the US media trumped that it was a failure of communism making all the US citizens feel warm & comfy about how superior capitalism was rather than the truth that what really happened was on over spend on defence.

And not that it makes any difference but I am a graduate metallurgist ( Non ferrous foundry ) and have watched the exact same management philosophy send Australian industry to the wall.
When I graduated we were number 12 in foundry now we do not register in the top 100.
The only real difference between you & us is we have a small population so for the time being what we did out of the ground covers our short sighted stupidity, but it will come home to bite us on the bum too, it is just a matter of time.
Our standard of living has been dropping for the last decade while the wealth per household has been rising as has the debt per household.

Very shortly you will be going into the corporate reporting season.
Listen to what is actually reported.
Higher profits from falling total revenue and flat predictions for future growth

Hey Bert,

What are the chances that I’d run into a Australian ex-graduate level metallurgist now lawn service provider with the intellect of a PhD in world economics and history.

We’d have a good discussion over a beer in the pub I’m sure. Be well


#9

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bertsmobile1

every one has a past, present & if we are lucky a future.
Not the sharpest tool in the box but I do try to keep myself informed. While I have been out of the industry for 40 years, I kept up my subscriptions to as many trade journals as I could because brains need to be feed.
I have a small investment portfolio so I also subscribe to several daily financial newsletters . It is amazing the difference between what is in there & what is in the mass media.
And it is not hard to join the dots and find out the picture is a dunny and we are heading right down it.

I am not a great fan of your current President however he is the first for near 100 years who runs the country as a business,.
Thus his use of trade & trade embargos which is relatively cheap and hurts those who make decisions rather than sending in the troops which is very expensive and hurts those who are the victims of their bad government.

As a brand new graduate I went to my first international conference.
The first speaker told the audience that Australia was the best place in the world to manufacture things.
We had the cheapest energy on the planet, abundant raw materials including metals, a well educated work force & mild weather reducing the need to heat plant & equipment to stave off freezing. All true back then.
The second was from industry & told the group Australia was a basket case with militant unions, low productivity & expensive transport so the only future was to keep the high profit design where we have a natural advantage ( racism ) and outsource production to countries that were not capable of designing anything but could do cheap manufacturing,,,,,,,, like Japan, well it was 1975.
When Japanese companies started to export products back to us that were better than the products we were getting them to make, they were accused of copying, stealing & dumping.
So the lecture changed, the destination to Tiawian because the "Lamps of Freedom" needed the oil from the west to defend against the evil communist Chinese.
Couple of years latter they had white outed the name again and put Korea in there and thus it continued as we trapsed through the third world and I watched in despair as we exported out future.

I was foreman at a factory where the management team went on a fact finding world tour.
They came back & issued a memo that as of today there would be zero production scrap but not one cent for new plant or processing upgrades, so the obedient workers simply hid all the scrap in the garbage thus the company achieved their zero scrap target but the profits did not increase so they went on another fact finding trip.
I worked in a foundry where we had 16 furnaces that took around 1 to 3 hours each to pour. Management expected each furnace to pour at least once if not twice per day.
However if any more than 3 poured at the same time, there was not enough water to cool the moulds & we got bleed throughs then run outs.
Now it was not the fault of the obsolete water plant which was bought new during WWII, it was my fault for not scheduling the pours better.

I think it was Bertrand Russell who said "most people would rather die than think" and unfortunately this is true.
It is so much easier to repeat the trash spin we get feed than to take 5 minutes to find the real facts or even worse to become obsessed about the life of trash like the Hilton tart or those Kardashians ( ?) rather than live in the real world and if I was living in the USA I would be very worried about my future and the future of my kids.


#10

Scrubcadet10

Scrubcadet10

However the difference between the two is simply the USA defence budget so once China starts to sell more arms to the third world countries currently supplied by the USA, China will be come the largest economy in the world.

at least the arms the USA makes will be quality steel, and durable, and the chinese will make everything out of pot metal.
I do have the utmost confidence that our current POTUS will get the country back on track Economically and Militarily.


#11

L

Lillite

every one has a past, present & if we are lucky a future.
Not the sharpest tool in the box but I do try to keep myself informed. While I have been out of the industry for 40 years, I kept up my subscriptions to as many trade journals as I could because brains need to be feed.
I have a small investment portfolio so I also subscribe to several daily financial newsletters . It is amazing the difference between what is in there & what is in the mass media.
And it is not hard to join the dots and find out the picture is a dunny and we are heading right down it.

I am not a great fan of your current President however he is the first for near 100 years who runs the country as a business,.
Thus his use of trade & trade embargos which is relatively cheap and hurts those who make decisions rather than sending in the troops which is very expensive and hurts those who are the victims of their bad government.

As a brand new graduate I went to my first international conference.
The first speaker told the audience that Australia was the best place in the world to manufacture things.
We had the cheapest energy on the planet, abundant raw materials including metals, a well educated work force & mild weather reducing the need to heat plant & equipment to stave off freezing. All true back then.
The second was from industry & told the group Australia was a basket case with militant unions, low productivity & expensive transport so the only future was to keep the high profit design where we have a natural advantage ( racism ) and outsource production to countries that were not capable of designing anything but could do cheap manufacturing,,,,,,,, like Japan, well it was 1975.
When Japanese companies started to export products back to us that were better than the products we were getting them to make, they were accused of copying, stealing & dumping.
So the lecture changed, the destination to Tiawian because the "Lamps of Freedom" needed the oil from the west to defend against the evil communist Chinese.
Couple of years latter they had white outed the name again and put Korea in there and thus it continued as we trapsed through the third world and I watched in despair as we exported out future.

I was foreman at a factory where the management team went on a fact finding world tour.
They came back & issued a memo that as of today there would be zero production scrap but not one cent for new plant or processing upgrades, so the obedient workers simply hid all the scrap in the garbage thus the company achieved their zero scrap target but the profits did not increase so they went on another fact finding trip.
I worked in a foundry where we had 16 furnaces that took around 1 to 3 hours each to pour. Management expected each furnace to pour at least once if not twice per day.
However if any more than 3 poured at the same time, there was not enough water to cool the moulds & we got bleed throughs then run outs.
Now it was not the fault of the obsolete water plant which was bought new during WWII, it was my fault for not scheduling the pours better.

I think it was Bertrand Russell who said "most people would rather die than think" and unfortunately this is true.
It is so much easier to repeat the trash spin we get feed than to take 5 minutes to find the real facts or even worse to become obsessed about the life of trash like the Hilton tart or those Kardashians ( ?) rather than live in the real world and if I was living in the USA I would be very worried about my future and the future of my kids.

Yes, I’m concerned. The US has become energy independent and our netso Democratic Party wants us to destroy our economy and surrender to the rest of the world so they can feel like they’re doing something. Crazy.

Be well, ive been all around the world but never Australia. One of my bucket list destinations. Be well.


#12

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bertsmobile1

The only trash steel China makes is exported so you will find Chinese weaponary quite up to the mark.
China has no plans to go to war, all of the arms build up is just sabre ratteling and boundary pushing .
They put an air base on an island and you ( and us ) send a couple of battleships there in defiance and every one feels safe & secure.
Like a debate in parliament, all smoke & mirror theatre to impress & fool the masses.
China will dominate the world financially and the greed of the multinational companies will cause the downfall of both your & our economy.
The only country that will be able to halt it's progress is India once the racial tensions created by the British to divide , conquer & sublimate is finally overcome.
They will be toppled eventually by the Africans after the Africans finally understand that the Germans, British, Dutch, Arabs, Americans , Australians are there to maintain the rivalry between the countries and keep them internally unstable not help them. Eventually Africa will combine to form some sort single entity and become the dominant world power. This of course assume we have neither poisoned the planet to our extinction or populated to extinction, both of which are very much on the cards.

THE USA used to have the blue ribbon anti monopoly laws, called the anti-trust laws designed to ensure no one company or group of companies can dominate any single market to the extent they control the market and prevent competition. Australia like a lot of other countries used them as the base to fashion their own similar legislation.
President Reagan effectively dissmantled them and successive administrations have either weakened them or failed to use them so you now have Monsanto, Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Walmart, Apple, etc etc.
These are the companies that will destroy your country because they are now trans national and will happily do what Apple has done & move their financial base to a foreign country to avoid paying USA tax and shift production to the cheapest place on the planet regardless of the consequences.
Walmart will happily sell 100% Chinese made goods even if that means all USA factories close down and they are now big enough to force USA factories to supply them good at a loss.

President Trump can see this and is making some efforts towards reversing it but he is outgunned by by the business lobby and only ends up with minor show pieces like HD closing it's Australian wheel factory and pretending they will bring the production of the street rod to Milwaukee .
Have a walk around you local mower shop , flip everything over and see where they were made then ask yourself what has happened to all of the Americans who used to make them in the USA.
Quite a large proportion are currently in jail, costing you a fortune in order to prop up the fortunes of foreign drug barons.
Do the same in an electronics store, a hardware store and even a supermarket .
Every one can not be in defence, police, doctors , teachers , lawyers , house cleaners & trolly pushers


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