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Raptor Flip-Up Oil Change

#1

Mr. Mower

Mr. Mower

Well today was my very first time changing the oil & oil filter, spark plugs, engine & fuel filter(s) on my Raptor flip up ZT.

I'm used to doing regular maintenance on mowers, vehicles, etc. but was quite surprised by the process of draining the oil out of a Raptor flip up. Now I don't really know if every Hustler mower or Raptor for that matter has the same process of draining the oil?

But I kinda looked at the process of just draining the oil as quite primitive and ridiculous!:thumbdown:

Plus, to just to make matters more difficult/complicated, the fact that the area around it all is very limited.

First they have you adjust the small very short black rubber tube (first you really need to remove it and make sure it's clean!) to make sure that it is facing down into that cut out hole right below it.

Then they have you unscrew the oil drain nut and this process will allow the oil to drain. The manual says to expect it to drain for a period of around 10 mins.

Now before I actually started (remember this was my first time with this particular type of mower, I used to do my previous one which was very simple) I read up on the engine maintenance procedure so that I will be familiar with what I will be getting into.

When the part came to draining the oil process, well I was just taken aback by it all. So what I did before starting, I have some extra clear tubing that is a perfect fit that inserts into the small black rubber tube and then ran it down that hole below and then cut if off to the point that it would fall and drain the oil into a small plastic bucket that I had laying around.

Believe me, after I started the process of draining the oil, I started working on everything else and once everything else was completed, the oil draining process was the next to last thing that I waited on. It must have been anywhere from 30 mins.-45mins. time.

You see the manual doesn't tell you about any of what to expect. I really can't see anyone just shoving that small black tube through that lower hole then opening that oil drain nut and have all that oil fall onto the axle, trans, etc. and make such a mess!

Plus when trying to torque down the small oil drain nut, the limited small area around it makes it cumbersome to say the least!

As for everything else, spark plugs, oil filter, fuel filter and engine filter well those were a breeze-no problems at all.

Anyway, the rant is over and well just wanted to find out if every Hustler mower models or just the Raptor has the same oil draining process?

Thanks in advance to all those who have posted to this thread.


#2

Boobala

Boobala

Well today was my very first time changing the oil & oil filter, spark plugs, engine & fuel filter(s) on my Raptor flip up ZT.

I'm used to doing regular maintenance on mowers, vehicles, etc. but was quite surprised by the process of draining the oil out of a Raptor flip up. Now I don't really know if every Hustler mower or Raptor for that matter has the same process of draining the oil?

But I kinda looked at the process of just draining the oil as quite primitive and ridiculous!:thumbdown:

Plus, to just to make matters more difficult/complicated, the fact that the area around it all is very limited.

First they have you adjust the small very short black rubber tube (first you really need to remove it and make sure it's clean!) to make sure that it is facing down into that cut out hole right below it.

Then they have you unscrew the oil drain nut and this process will allow the oil to drain. The manual says to expect it to drain for a period of around 10 mins.

Now before I actually started (remember this was my first time with this particular type of mower, I used to do my previous one which was very simple) I read up on the engine maintenance procedure so that I will be familiar with what I will be getting into.

When the part came to draining the oil process, well I was just taken aback by it all. So what I did before starting, I have some extra clear tubing that is a perfect fit that inserts into the small black rubber tube and then ran it down that hole below and then cut if off to the point that it would fall and drain the oil into a small plastic bucket that I had laying around.

Believe me, after I started the process of draining the oil, I started working on everything else and once everything else was completed, the oil draining process was the next to last thing that I waited on. It must have been anywhere from 30 mins.-45mins. time.

You see the manual doesn't tell you about any of what to expect. I really can't see anyone just shoving that small black tube through that lower hole then opening that oil drain nut and have all that oil fall onto the axle, trans, etc. and make such a mess!

Plus when trying to torque down the small oil drain nut, the limited small area around it makes it cumbersome to say the least!

As for everything else, spark plugs, oil filter, fuel filter and engine filter well those were a breeze-no problems at all.

Anyway, the rant is over and well just wanted to find out if every Hustler mower models or just the Raptor has the same oil draining process?

Thanks in advance to all those who have posted to this thread.

Just think ........ 37 more times, and you'll have it down pat !! ( just funnin ya ! ...:laughing:..:laughing:


#3

Mr. Mower

Mr. Mower

Just think ........ 37 more times, and you'll have it down pat !! ( just funnin ya ! ...:laughing:..:laughing:


Yea no crap, I hear ya! :laughing:


Whatever engineer that was behind that design should be fired on the spot! :mad:


#4

Boobala

Boobala

Yea no crap, I hear ya! :laughing:


Whatever engineer that was behind that design should be fired on the spot! :mad:

Just look under the hood of ANY NEW car ...... What the hell are these manufacturers thinking ??? ..:mad:


#5

L

LeakyGasket

My Fastrak is the same way. I also figured out something to fix that problem --- I never change the oil (ha). Actually, I did similar to what you did.


#6

N

neetan

I am very much surprised at your issues, I have the Fasttrac Sd 48" but mine was easer since I have the honda engine! The oil took 8-10 min to drain(nothing unusual ) and it was easy peezee! Lousen a nut after attaching a hose(did not really have to since the drain is right above the can I had to catch the oil. Now I am not sure why you have to change the spark plug and fuel filter? MY instructions say 200 hr for the fuel filter and 250 for the spark plug?

I can post photos in 5 weeks if you wish, just waiting for the snow to melt!

Good luck


#7

Mr. Mower

Mr. Mower

I am very much surprised at your issues, I have the Fasttrac Sd 48" but mine was easer since I have the honda engine! The oil took 8-10 min to drain(nothing unusual ) and it was easy peezee! Lousen a nut after attaching a hose(did not really have to since the drain is right above the can I had to catch the oil. Now I am not sure why you have to change the spark plug and fuel filter? MY instructions say 200 hr for the fuel filter and 250 for the spark plug?

I can post photos in 5 weeks if you wish, just waiting for the snow to melt!

Good luck


Well obviously yours is different and yes I should have stated the difference in engines, since my Raptor Flip Up has the Kohler KT740 7000Series (25hp).

Though now that answers my question about if "all Hustler" mowers are designed the same, when it comes to draining the oil from the engine.

To answer your question about why changing the spark plugs and fuel filter, yes you are correct about that.

Being specific here, the Service Manual for my particular engine (Kohler, not the Hustler Raptor Service Manual) for Maintenance Schedule states to change the engines "Pre-Cleaner" every 25 hours, replace the Air Cleaner every 100 hours, change the Oil & Filter every 100 hours, replace the Fuel Filter every 100 hours and replace the Spark Plugs every 500 hours.

Now with that being said, I guess you can say that I am just OCD about certain things pertaining to an engines performance. So with that being stated, regardless every Spring, of every year I replace those specific items, Oil, Oil Filter, Spark Plugs, Engine Air Filter & Pre-Filter and of course the Fuel Filter.
Just gives me peace of mind knowing that at least the engine will be running and breathing well especially during the hot summer months down here in South Central Texas.

On a related subject, I change the oil, oil filter, engine filter and cabin filter on our vehicles as well every time the vehicles indicator(s) pop up and change the spark plugs on each vehicle every year too, regardless.

That's just the way I am.

Before I had purchased my Raptor Flip Up (very first time having a ZT mower) I had purchased a Montgomery Wards Yardman riding mower, now this was back in 1995 and believe it or not, that lasted up until 2016 when I felt that it was time to actually replace it. Yes it still ran well and cut grass and all and guess what. I used to perform the exact same things to it as I now do to my Raptor Flip Up as far as maintenance goes, changing the oil, oil filter, spark plugs, fuel filter, etc. and it lasted me for well over 20 years!

So call it what you want, over kill, OCD, etc. but I know that I am doing something right by doing what I have been doing.


#8

cpurvis

cpurvis

If you want to be OCD about something, compare the Kohler recommend maintenance interval for the air filter "pre-cleaner" to the Hustler recommendation. Use whichever one is the FEWEST hours.

If draining oil is difficult, I use a vacuum oil extractor.


#9

D

Darryl G

Well obviously yours is different and yes I should have stated the difference in engines, since my Raptor Flip Up has the Kohler KT740 7000Series (25hp).

Though now that answers my question about if "all Hustler" mowers are designed the same, when it comes to draining the oil from the engine.

To answer your question about why changing the spark plugs and fuel filter, yes you are correct about that.

Being specific here, the Service Manual for my particular engine (Kohler, not the Hustler Raptor Service Manual) for Maintenance Schedule states to change the engines "Pre-Cleaner" every 25 hours, replace the Air Cleaner every 100 hours, change the Oil & Filter every 100 hours, replace the Fuel Filter every 100 hours and replace the Spark Plugs every 500 hours.

Now with that being said, I guess you can say that I am just OCD about certain things pertaining to an engines performance. So with that being stated, regardless every Spring, of every year I replace those specific items, Oil, Oil Filter, Spark Plugs, Engine Air Filter & Pre-Filter and of course the Fuel Filter.
Just gives me peace of mind knowing that at least the engine will be running and breathing well especially during the hot summer months down here in South Central Texas.

On a different subject, I change the oil, oil filter, engine filter and cabin filter on our vehicles as well every time the vehicles indicator(s) pop up and change the spark plugs on each vehicle every year too, regardless.

That's just the way I am.

Before I had purchased my Raptor Flip Up (very first time having a ZT mower) I had purchased a Montgomery Wards Yardman riding mower, now this was back in 1995 and believe it or not, that lasted up until 2016 when I felt that it was time to actually replace it. Yes it still ran well and cut grass and all and guess what. I used to perform the exact same things to it as I now do to my Raptor Flip Up as far as maintenance goes, changing the oil, oil filter, spark plugs, fuel filter, etc. and it lasted me for well over 20 years!

So call it what you want, over kill, OCD, etc. but I know that I am doing something right by doing what I have been doing.

Wow, changing car spark plugs every year. All the other stuff I can see a point in, but to me that's excessive and totally unnecessary in a modern vehicle.


#10

Boobala

Boobala

Wow, changing car spark plugs every year. All the other stuff I can see a point in, but to me that's excessive and totally unnecessary in a modern vehicle.

I'm like Mr Mower, when it comes to my mowers, oil and filters, FULL tune-up, belts IF.. questionable every season ! my 98 Camry gets Mobil 1 full synthetic, with a few oz. of LUCAS oil conditioner every 5,000 mi. but I change the FILTER @ every 2,500 and a strict diet of LUCAS fuel-additive with about every 3rd tank of gas all other filters at 15,000 mi., new trans. fluid N filter, and "differential" oil, and replace BRAKE fluid too at 25,000 .......... I have 53 1/2 acres of money trees, and I use $100.00 bills to light the BBQ !! .. ( that part is funnin ya's ) ..:thumbsup:..:laughing:..:laughing:


#11

Mr. Mower

Mr. Mower

Wow, changing car spark plugs every year. All the other stuff I can see a point in, but to me that's excessive and totally unnecessary in a modern vehicle.


Think what you'd like but ever since I started driving (around 15-16 years old) I've always been on top of every type of maintenance on my vehicles. After seeing, listening, reading and learning from others I quickly realized that if you want to get the most out of something and make it last many years, the up keep maintenance is very important and should always be taken care of on a regular basis.

Basically its like this....."Take the time to care of it and it will take care of you"....this applies to everything in life....yes even your health.

Each of the vehicles that I've had, have lasted me 10 years or more and really with out any major mechanical problems. What I mean is yes, there was the occasional starter or alternator, etc. things like that, that would eventually need to be replaced but again nothing major on the engine itself.

My very first own vehicle was a 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass which I had purchased from my brother for $500 bucks back in 1977. At the time I thought that I would keep the vehicle for a year or so and then get a brand new car. But as time went on I liked the fact that I didn't have a car payment and plus the fact that the vehicle drove very well, really nothing wrong with it. Because of the maintenance up keep that I had been keeping on it.

I drove it up until 1986. I then traded it in for a brand new Toyota X-Tra Cab truck (remember them?). Man did I love that truck. I was all nice and well kept with sweet looking tires, etc. I kept that vehicle up until November of 1995 and that's only because it was stolen!

As a matter of fact it had been stolen a total of 3 times! After the third time well it was never found. Again, though it was in excellent condition, well kept with the maintenance up keep that I always gave it. Whoever stole it, well they sure got a sweet truck well kept.

Anyway, so in December of 1995, I purchased a new 1996 Dodge Ram 1500, large cab, all the bells and whistles, etc.. I kept that truck for a little more than 10 years. Again it was well kept with maintenance and all. The vehicle had close to 200,000K miles on it but still ran great. Though by then, after 9 years or so the paint started to fade quickly (Dodge vehicles are known for this) and well I decided then that I would not spend the $ have it repainted and just trade it in for something new. Now at this time, this was in 2008.

So in April of 2008, I traded the 1996 Dodge Ram truck in for a brand new 2008 Toyota Tacoma and to this very day, as I am sitting here typing this all in, I still have and drive it today! It has well over 265,000K miles on it and still drives like it was brand new!

Again, it's lasted me all this time all because of the regular maintenance up keep that is performed on it annually, regardless of what any manual says about when to change anything.

My wife used to drive a 2003 Toyota 4Runner (that had been purchased brand new driven off the lot back in 2003) and we kept up until December 2016. That vehicle had close to 300,000K miles on it by then. But that same month we decided to purchase a new 2016 Toyota 4Runner for her and gave the 2003 4Runner to my sister who, believe it or not, still drives it and she says still drives fantastically and smoothly! It now has well over 300,000K miles on it!

For me the way I see things is...I've spent a lot of my hard earned $ on my things and well I want to get the most out of them as much as I can. Because it's not like I have the big time $ to just throw out there and go out and buy something new every other year or so. I'm sure for some that's not a problem doing so but for me well I'm realistic, I just can't.


Here are a couple of pictures of my 2008 Toyota Tacoma.

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#12

Mr. Mower

Mr. Mower

I'm like Mr Mower, when it comes to my mowers, oil and filters, FULL tune-up, belts IF.. questionable every season ! my 98 Camry gets Mobil 1 full synthetic, with a few oz. of LUCAS oil conditioner every 5,000 mi. but I change the FILTER @ every 2,500 and a strict diet of LUCAS fuel-additive with about every 3rd tank of gas all other filters at 15,000 mi., new trans. fluid N filter, and "differential" oil, and replace BRAKE fluid too at 25,000 .......... I have 53 1/2 acres of money trees, and I use $100.00 bills to light the BBQ !! .. ( that part is funnin ya's ) ..:thumbsup:..:laughing:..:laughing:



That's the exact same type of oil that I use and only that, wouldn't even consider using nothing else.


#13

Mr. Mower

Mr. Mower

If you want to be OCD about something, compare the Kohler recommend maintenance interval for the air filter "pre-cleaner" to the Hustler recommendation. Use whichever one is the FEWEST hours.

If draining oil is difficult, I use a vacuum oil extractor.


Is it possible if you could post a picture of that "vacuum oil extractor" that you mentioned above?

Or post the manufacturer's brand name?....model number?.....etc.


Thanks for posting!


#14

cpurvis

cpurvis

Mine is a Pela. They make various sizes. I think mine is the 6 liter version and I got it from Cabelas when they were running a sale.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Pela-PL-6000-6-Liters-Oil-Extractor/46758207


#15

Mr. Mower

Mr. Mower

THANKS! :thumbsup:



Mine is a Pela. They make various sizes. I think mine is the 6 liter version and I got it from Cabelas when they were running a sale.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Pela-PL-6000-6-Liters-Oil-Extractor/46758207


#16

D

Darryl G

I considered buying a vacuum oil extractor and was advised against it by the head mechanic at one of the shops I use. He doesn't like them because they don't always evacuate all of the oil. Opinions will vary.


#17

D

Darryl G

Think what you'd like but ever since I started driving (around 15-16 years old) I've always been on top of every type of maintenance on my vehicles. After seeing, listening, reading and learning from others I quickly realized that if you want to get the most out of something and make it last many years, the up keep maintenance is very important and should always be taken care of on a regular basis.

Basically its like this....."Take the time to care of it and it will take care of you"....this applies to everything in life....yes even your health.

Each of the vehicles that I've had, have lasted me 10 years or more and really with out any major mechanical problems. What I mean is yes, there was the occasional starter or alternator, etc. things like that, that would eventually need to be replaced but again nothing major on the engine itself.

My very first own vehicle was a 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass which I had purchased from my brother for $500 bucks back in 1977. At the time I thought that I would keep the vehicle for a year or so and then get a brand new car. But as time went on I liked the fact that I didn't have a car payment and plus the fact that the vehicle drove very well, really nothing wrong with it. Because of the maintenance up keep that I had been keeping on it.

I drove it up until 1986. I then traded it in for a brand new Toyota X-Tra Cab truck (remember them?). Man did I love that truck. I was all nice and well kept with sweet looking tires, etc. I kept that vehicle up until November of 1995 and that's only because it was stolen!

As a matter of fact it had been stolen a total of 3 times! After the third time well it was never found. Again, though it was in excellent condition, well kept with the maintenance up keep that I always gave it. Whoever stole it, well they sure got a sweet truck well kept.

Anyway, so in December of 1995, I purchased a new 1996 Dodge Ram 1500, large cab, all the bells and whistles, etc.. I kept that truck for a little more than 10 years. Again it was well kept with maintenance and all. The vehicle had close to 200,000K miles on it but still ran great. Though by then, after 9 years or so the paint started to fade quickly (Dodge vehicles are known for this) and well I decided then that I would not spend the $ have it repainted and just trade it in for something new. Now at this time, this was in 2008.

So in April of 2008, I traded the 1996 Dodge Ram truck in for a brand new 2008 Toyota Tacoma and to this very day, as I am sitting here typing this all in, I still have and drive it today! It has well over 265,000K miles on it and still drives like it was brand new!

Again, it's lasted me all this time all because of the regular maintenance up keep that is performed on it annually, regardless of what any manual says about when to change anything.

My wife used to drive a 2003 Toyota 4Runner (that had been purchased brand new driven off the lot back in 2003) and we kept up until December 2016. That vehicle had close to 300,000K miles on it by then. But that same month we decided to purchase a new 2016 Toyota 4Runner for her and gave the 2003 4Runner to my sister who, believe it or not, still drives it and she says still drives fantastically and smoothly! It now has well over 300,000K miles on it!

For me the way I see things is...I've spent a lot of my hard earned $ on my things and well I want to get the most out of them as much as I can. Because it's not like I have the big time $ to just throw out there and go out and buy something new every other year or so. I'm sure for some that's not a problem doing so but for me well I'm realistic, I just can't.


Here are a couple of pictures of my 2008 Toyota Tacoma.

I just thought that changing car spark plugs every year was excessive. I guess it depends how much you drive and what plugs you use too. Our vehicles only get 5 to 10k miles per year put on them. I think the original plugs are still in the 2011 Altima and I've changed them once in my 2003 truck.


#18

cpurvis

cpurvis

I considered buying a vacuum oil extractor and was advised against it by the head mechanic at one of the shops I use. He doesn't like them because they don't always evacuate all of the oil. Opinions will vary.

You can test to see how much (if any) oil is left behind by an extractor--Use the extractor, then drain using the drain plug and see how much more you can get.


#19

G

gene_stl

I had a similar reaction when I saw that short black tube. I obtained some longer clear PVC to do the job with also.
I have come close to buying a vacuum extractor but didn't want to have another too big thing sitting in the garage.
When I change oil sometimes ,especially if it's overdue, I like to add some flushing oil to solvate varnishes and suspend dirt.
I don't replace spark plugs I only clean and gap them. Never have ignition problems. I also clean air filters.

I am very nonplussed about my recent headaches with my FlipUp In very short order the battery crapped out, the fuel gauge crapped out and one of the park switches crapped out.
The response from Hustler was the boolsheet about safety stuff.


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