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Oil filters for Kawasaki
#1
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John Fitzgerald
J
John Fitzgerald
Would it void the factory warranty on a Kawasaki engine if an aftermarket oil filter is installed as long as it cross references with the Kaw 49065-7007? I think there are other filters that are as good or better than the OEM.
#2
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Darryl G
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Darryl G
The manufacturer can't dictate what brand of filter to use as long as it meets or exceeds their specs, but I always use genuine Kawasaki filters anyway. I figure they know best what to use on their engines.
#3
mhavanti
mhavanti
John,
I once owned a filter manufacturing division for our Warehouse Distributing Company. We manufactured under four names for our customers in the auto parts stores, mower dealers, motorcycle dealers, trucking, you name it. When we retired, we sold the company to a big company that was always trying to put us out of business. We even manufactured for them on a couple of occasions.
Kawasaki does not manufacture oil, hydraulic, air of fuel filters. They purchase them and a company like ours were under contract to ink their names, filter number and patent dates on each filter, along with any warnings, etc. Same for the filter boxes and case boxes that the filters were delivered to them in. Our company didn't make the cardboard boxes so we contracted out the boxes as well as the printing. At the very end, we invested in a printer that printed the boxes for a huge savings in production costs.
My point to all this is: Ford Motor Company, General Motors, Chrysler Motor Company, John Deere, Kia, Toyota, none of the motor companies makes a single filter of any kind. If you would like a filter brand, it is very simple, get in touch with any filter manufacturer out there and they'll give you a quote for the filters of your specifications. I don't know any that will manufacture a filter with a lower specification than the motor manufacturer.
The answer to your question is: You can use any brand filter that meets or exceeds the motor manufacturer's specifications. There has been hundreds in not thousands of lawsuits lost by motor manufacturers for trying to withhold warranty service or replacement due to items purchased and used without their company name on them.
I always look forward to a dealer trying that on me. Even though I'm twice retired, I might not mind owning another manufacturing company.
Good luck,
Max
I once owned a filter manufacturing division for our Warehouse Distributing Company. We manufactured under four names for our customers in the auto parts stores, mower dealers, motorcycle dealers, trucking, you name it. When we retired, we sold the company to a big company that was always trying to put us out of business. We even manufactured for them on a couple of occasions.
Kawasaki does not manufacture oil, hydraulic, air of fuel filters. They purchase them and a company like ours were under contract to ink their names, filter number and patent dates on each filter, along with any warnings, etc. Same for the filter boxes and case boxes that the filters were delivered to them in. Our company didn't make the cardboard boxes so we contracted out the boxes as well as the printing. At the very end, we invested in a printer that printed the boxes for a huge savings in production costs.
My point to all this is: Ford Motor Company, General Motors, Chrysler Motor Company, John Deere, Kia, Toyota, none of the motor companies makes a single filter of any kind. If you would like a filter brand, it is very simple, get in touch with any filter manufacturer out there and they'll give you a quote for the filters of your specifications. I don't know any that will manufacture a filter with a lower specification than the motor manufacturer.
The answer to your question is: You can use any brand filter that meets or exceeds the motor manufacturer's specifications. There has been hundreds in not thousands of lawsuits lost by motor manufacturers for trying to withhold warranty service or replacement due to items purchased and used without their company name on them.
I always look forward to a dealer trying that on me. Even though I'm twice retired, I might not mind owning another manufacturing company.
Good luck,
Max
#5
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ILENGINE
By law, a manufacturer cannot void a warranty due to the use of aftermarket parts, unless the aftermarket part caused the failure.
I
ILENGINE
Would it void the factory warranty on a Kawasaki engine if an aftermarket oil filter is installed as long as it cross references with the Kaw 49065-7007? I think there are other filters that are as good or better than the OEM.
By law, a manufacturer cannot void a warranty due to the use of aftermarket parts, unless the aftermarket part caused the failure.
#6
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SidecarFlip
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SidecarFlip
I buy Generac extend life filters for my Kowalski 27 horse V twin form Ziller Electric online. The Generac filters fit the Kowalski and the Genrac V twin.I get them in bulk lots of 12. Very inexpensive. The Generac extended life filters hold an extra pint of oil and with the little bit in there, every ounce counts.
#7
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Kremeneon
This is exactly correct, the problem is that there is far more to a filter meeting or exceeding mfr specifications than just correct mechanical fitment, particularly on air cooled engines which have far higher average oil temperatures than water cooled engines.
A few other specs I can think of besides fitting on the engine and not leaking:
Filter surface area and micron filtration rating?
Drainback/check valve/bypass present? design bypass pressure?
What is the material and melting temperature of any non-metal parts of the filter? (glue, filter material itself, end plates, drainback valve, spring, gasket material)
shell pressure rating?
K
Kremeneon
The manufacturer can't dictate what brand of filter to use as long as it meets or exceeds their specs, but I always use genuine Kawasaki filters anyway. I figure they know best what to use on their engines.
This is exactly correct, the problem is that there is far more to a filter meeting or exceeding mfr specifications than just correct mechanical fitment, particularly on air cooled engines which have far higher average oil temperatures than water cooled engines.
A few other specs I can think of besides fitting on the engine and not leaking:
Filter surface area and micron filtration rating?
Drainback/check valve/bypass present? design bypass pressure?
What is the material and melting temperature of any non-metal parts of the filter? (glue, filter material itself, end plates, drainback valve, spring, gasket material)
shell pressure rating?
#8
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John Fitzgerald
J
John Fitzgerald
The premium (yellow) Briggs filters cross reference to the Kaw filters and are much cheaper. They are rated for high temp of air cooled engines. The dimensions are exactly the same.
#9
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kraky
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kraky
All this talk about meeting manufacturer's specifications is 100% believable. On the other hand you won't catch me using a basic Fram oil filter with a cardboard end caps on anything I own..... and apparently they meet "somebody's" specifications.
#10
cpurvis
Neither will I, but their air filters are OK. Mainly because there is no way to hide shoddy materials and workmanship on an air filter.
edit to add: Fram was a good filter until it became a target of counterfeiters. Probably most of the piece of junk 'FRAM' filters we see are not made by FRAM at all.
cpurvis
All this talk about meeting manufacturer's specifications is 100% believable. On the other hand you won't catch me using a basic Fram oil filter with a cardboard end caps on anything I own..... and apparently they meet "somebody's" specifications.
Neither will I, but their air filters are OK. Mainly because there is no way to hide shoddy materials and workmanship on an air filter.
edit to add: Fram was a good filter until it became a target of counterfeiters. Probably most of the piece of junk 'FRAM' filters we see are not made by FRAM at all.
#11
mhavanti
mhavanti
If the filter meets or exceeds the "manufacturer's" specifications, it does meet the specs as long as the specs are as stated. Considering the US weights and measures division of each state, the fines are much higher on one filter than the profits for most US filter companies for the year if caught cheating on specifications.
As Doug mentioned earlier in this thread, all his points are a part of meeting and exceeding specifications. Most smaller behind the title companies that contract out to the name brands end up being held to the fire in order to continue receiving contracts by AC, Fram, Purolator, Wix, etc.
Just do your research and buy the one you like the color of as long as it has the by-pass valves, gasket materials because the valve won't bypass if the gasket doesn't hold, etc.
Good luck to you all,
Max
As Doug mentioned earlier in this thread, all his points are a part of meeting and exceeding specifications. Most smaller behind the title companies that contract out to the name brands end up being held to the fire in order to continue receiving contracts by AC, Fram, Purolator, Wix, etc.
Just do your research and buy the one you like the color of as long as it has the by-pass valves, gasket materials because the valve won't bypass if the gasket doesn't hold, etc.
Good luck to you all,
Max
#12
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Kremeneon
K
Kremeneon
After a bunch of searching I found this info for the Kawasaki 49065-7007:
Anti-drain , 7-9 PSI pressure relief , Thread Size: 3/4 " -16, Height: 2 1/4 ", OD: 3 ", Micron: 28.
gasket: OD 2.734 (69mm), ID 2.430 (62mm), H 0.226 (6mm)
Here is a selection of WIX filters with the same threading, OD, and gasket dimensions, listed by order of increasing length/capacity. The 47035 is listed by Wix as a direct cross reference for the 49065-7007
Wix 57035 2.3" tall, Enhanced Cellulose, bypass 8psi, 275 psi burst, 7-9 gpm, 32 micron
Wix 51056 2.7" tall, Enhanced Cellulose, bypass 8-11psi, 275 psi burst, 7-9 gpm, 21 micron
Wix 51348 3.4" tall, Enhanced Cellulose, bypass 8-11psi, 275 psi burst, 7-9 gpm, 21 micron
Wix 51348XP same as 51348 but synthetic media
Wix 51516 4.8" tall, Enhanced Cellulose, bypass 8-11psi, 275 psi burst, 7-9 gpm, 21 micron
Wix 51516XP same as 51516 but synthetic media
EDIT:
For the $/value and extra oil capacity I'll probably get a Wix 51348 or 51516 for my next oil change, I'm not sure if I have any Kawa filters left in my stash. See this cut up of the 51348, seems good to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYn0tFtS2s0
Anti-drain , 7-9 PSI pressure relief , Thread Size: 3/4 " -16, Height: 2 1/4 ", OD: 3 ", Micron: 28.
gasket: OD 2.734 (69mm), ID 2.430 (62mm), H 0.226 (6mm)
Here is a selection of WIX filters with the same threading, OD, and gasket dimensions, listed by order of increasing length/capacity. The 47035 is listed by Wix as a direct cross reference for the 49065-7007
Wix 57035 2.3" tall, Enhanced Cellulose, bypass 8psi, 275 psi burst, 7-9 gpm, 32 micron
Wix 51056 2.7" tall, Enhanced Cellulose, bypass 8-11psi, 275 psi burst, 7-9 gpm, 21 micron
Wix 51348 3.4" tall, Enhanced Cellulose, bypass 8-11psi, 275 psi burst, 7-9 gpm, 21 micron
Wix 51348XP same as 51348 but synthetic media
Wix 51516 4.8" tall, Enhanced Cellulose, bypass 8-11psi, 275 psi burst, 7-9 gpm, 21 micron
Wix 51516XP same as 51516 but synthetic media
EDIT:
For the $/value and extra oil capacity I'll probably get a Wix 51348 or 51516 for my next oil change, I'm not sure if I have any Kawa filters left in my stash. See this cut up of the 51348, seems good to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYn0tFtS2s0
#13
J
John Fitzgerald
J
John Fitzgerald
I found the same info a couple of weeks ago (7-9 PSI, etc.) The Briggs filters are the exact same spec, but quite a bit cheaper than the Kaw 49065-7007 branded filter. The yellow colored Briggs 696854 is supposed to be "deluxe", but is still a few dollars less than the Kaw 49065-7007. Who knows, they may be made on the same line, but branded differently. Neither Briggs nor Kawasaki manufacture filters.
#14
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SidecarFlip
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SidecarFlip
I always get a chuckle out of threads on here... You guys way overthink most things. For the last 30 years (maybe longer) been using the cheapest filters I can buy and never had an issue and that includes filters on my 100 grand farm tractors. not a cheapo lawnmower. Sheeeesh...:laughing:
#15
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Kremeneon
You know I've been doing some research on the Trimble guidance system on my Grandpa's tractor. it's cool as hell and I'm wondering if I can use it on my yard
(not really, wayy too $$, but just thinking about if it were possible.)
K
Kremeneon
I always get a chuckle out of threads on here... You guys way overthink most things. For the last 30 years (maybe longer) been using the cheapest filters I can buy and never had an issue and that includes filters on my 100 grand farm tractors. not a cheapo lawnmower. Sheeeesh...:laughing:
You know I've been doing some research on the Trimble guidance system on my Grandpa's tractor. it's cool as hell and I'm wondering if I can use it on my yard
(not really, wayy too $$, but just thinking about if it were possible.)
#16
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SidecarFlip
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SidecarFlip
I never get concerned with lawnmowers and small engines. They all get the same oil my tractors do. 5-40 Rotella T6. I buy it in 55 gallon drums. Whatever filters are on sale work, except for the high pressure hydraulic systems., they get special OEM filters because of the pressures involved.
Never had has one issue with any small engine. I do, do oil analysis (Blackstone) on my ag equipment and vehicles, every oil change. Small motors, never. They get an oil change and filter change every fall. Thats it. Clean the air filters and good to go. My 10 year old M60 tank zero turn (27 horse Kawasaki still has the original air filter installed. I clean the pre filter and blow out the filter and put it back on. Never an issue. It gets the same 'Generac' extended run filters my 17 KW house standby gets. Buy them by the dozen every couple years.
It's human nature make a simple thing complex and then rationalize it. Why I mostly read along and chuckle at a lot of posts on here. It's good entertainment for me. Do I buy into most of it? Nope.
A self steering lawnmower would be interesting. The price of admission would be prohibitive. I run Greenstar and it's base price is 20 grand and you still have to manually steer at the headlands.
Interesting forum. Sometimes I wonder if some of the posters on here can actually put their pants on with the zipper in the front....:laughing:
Never had has one issue with any small engine. I do, do oil analysis (Blackstone) on my ag equipment and vehicles, every oil change. Small motors, never. They get an oil change and filter change every fall. Thats it. Clean the air filters and good to go. My 10 year old M60 tank zero turn (27 horse Kawasaki still has the original air filter installed. I clean the pre filter and blow out the filter and put it back on. Never an issue. It gets the same 'Generac' extended run filters my 17 KW house standby gets. Buy them by the dozen every couple years.
It's human nature make a simple thing complex and then rationalize it. Why I mostly read along and chuckle at a lot of posts on here. It's good entertainment for me. Do I buy into most of it? Nope.
A self steering lawnmower would be interesting. The price of admission would be prohibitive. I run Greenstar and it's base price is 20 grand and you still have to manually steer at the headlands.
Interesting forum. Sometimes I wonder if some of the posters on here can actually put their pants on with the zipper in the front....:laughing:
#17
cpurvis
Then why are you polluting this forum? I have my doubts that anybody will miss your "wisdom" should you vanish. Seems like the forum got along pretty well before you showed up. There are quite a few people on here who give MUCH better advice, without the immature, condescending attitude.
cpurvis
Interesting forum. Sometimes I wonder if some of the posters on here can actually put their pants on with the zipper in the front....:laughing:
Then why are you polluting this forum? I have my doubts that anybody will miss your "wisdom" should you vanish. Seems like the forum got along pretty well before you showed up. There are quite a few people on here who give MUCH better advice, without the immature, condescending attitude.
#18
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bertsmobile1
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bertsmobile1
On a similar vein to similar to Sidecarflip on this one.
Mower engines are very basic and putting space shuttle filters on these dinosaurs is some what of a waste, won't hurt but won't make any difference to the running or the life of the engine.
Also treat all these video camera U-Tube heros with the contempt that they deserve.
A few sound convincing and even logical but not a one I have ever looked at was done by a person with the faintest understanding of what they were talking about.
A line from the "Fish Called Wanda" movies always comes to mind when I watch most U-tube posts "monkeys can read philosophy,,, they just don't understand what they are reading" ( or something similar ).
A down side to cheap Chinese die grinders & cheaper video cameras.
The skin on the air bus is glued onto the frame , the creamic heat shield on the space shuttle are glued to the skin so perhaps the glues used by factories are not quite the same as the glues you can buy at Walmart
A bypass filter on a mower engine will flow more volume than the pump can pump if it is open 0.005" so no need to have a 2" coil spring with 1.75" of travel pushing everything together.
Mower engines are very basic and putting space shuttle filters on these dinosaurs is some what of a waste, won't hurt but won't make any difference to the running or the life of the engine.
Also treat all these video camera U-Tube heros with the contempt that they deserve.
A few sound convincing and even logical but not a one I have ever looked at was done by a person with the faintest understanding of what they were talking about.
A line from the "Fish Called Wanda" movies always comes to mind when I watch most U-tube posts "monkeys can read philosophy,,, they just don't understand what they are reading" ( or something similar ).
A down side to cheap Chinese die grinders & cheaper video cameras.
The skin on the air bus is glued onto the frame , the creamic heat shield on the space shuttle are glued to the skin so perhaps the glues used by factories are not quite the same as the glues you can buy at Walmart
A bypass filter on a mower engine will flow more volume than the pump can pump if it is open 0.005" so no need to have a 2" coil spring with 1.75" of travel pushing everything together.
#19
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SidecarFlip
I'm here for entertainment and to read your lame posts.... Not vanishing. Here to stay and follow your lame posts around. Least you've learned how to spell better. That is refreshing.
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SidecarFlip
Then why are you polluting this forum? I have my doubts that anybody will miss your "wisdom" should you vanish. Seems like the forum got along pretty well before you showed up. There are quite a few people on here who give MUCH better advice, without the immature, condescending attitude.
I'm here for entertainment and to read your lame posts.... Not vanishing. Here to stay and follow your lame posts around. Least you've learned how to spell better. That is refreshing.
#20
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Kremeneon
K
Kremeneon
Nobody is talking about space shuttle filters. we are talking about options for cost savings, and options for larger oil capacity in the engine. You may value your cash differently than I do but the Kawasaki in my hustler is worth over $1k and I take very good care of it.On a similar vein to similar to Sidecarflip on this one.
Mower engines are very basic and putting space shuttle filters on these dinosaurs is some what of a waste, won't hurt but won't make any difference to the running or the life of the engine.
condescending babble...
I have not seen this spec anywhere, are you an Engineer?A bypass filter on a mower engine will flow more volume than the pump can pump if it is open 0.005" so no need to have a 2" coil spring with 1.75" of travel pushing everything together.
#21
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bertsmobile1
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bertsmobile1
Well if you would call 6 years at university followed by 10 years both as a student & a teacher at our TAFE ,( which is a trade college) sufficient to qualify as an engineer then yes.
I actually ran foundries, worked in analytical labs where amongst other things we tested filter media.
The oil pumps on mower engines are quite low flow and only moderate pressure pumps which is why the bypass pressures are so low.
You posted a link to a short can cutter video telling the world that the Wix filter is good quality with nothing more than a cursory glance at the parts inside
That does not cut the mustard, bypass pressures have to be tested , you can not tell by looking at them if they are good or bad.
Filter media needs to be both flow tested and visually inspected with a microscope, not a can opener and the consistancey of the pleats means nothing apart from the fact tat the pleating machine was making regular ( pretty ) pleats.
What is important is how much the folds reduced the cross section of the paper, not how regular the pleats are or how the end of the paper is joined.
You might note I said you can fit a top shelf filter is you like , the qualifier was it will not make 1 revolution of difference to the engine.
In fact dirty oil is far less of a problem than low or no oil and the angles you mow on is far more important than actual oil filter.
Vertical shaft engines are the lowest quality engines ever produced partially because they are the cheapest engines ever produced.
I see way more engines worn out due to oil starvation from the owners mowing far too steep a slope an having the oil pick up pumping air than I do due to poor oil filtration
Now there is nothing wrong with fitting very expensive filters, they will not hurt your engine.
There is nothing wrong with using synthetic oil either.
But just like putting lipstick on a pig, they don't make much of a difference.
What is important is changing the oil and the more frequent the better as corrosive oil soluible by products of incomplete combustion do far more damage than the particulates which an oil filter removes.
I actually ran foundries, worked in analytical labs where amongst other things we tested filter media.
The oil pumps on mower engines are quite low flow and only moderate pressure pumps which is why the bypass pressures are so low.
You posted a link to a short can cutter video telling the world that the Wix filter is good quality with nothing more than a cursory glance at the parts inside
That does not cut the mustard, bypass pressures have to be tested , you can not tell by looking at them if they are good or bad.
Filter media needs to be both flow tested and visually inspected with a microscope, not a can opener and the consistancey of the pleats means nothing apart from the fact tat the pleating machine was making regular ( pretty ) pleats.
What is important is how much the folds reduced the cross section of the paper, not how regular the pleats are or how the end of the paper is joined.
You might note I said you can fit a top shelf filter is you like , the qualifier was it will not make 1 revolution of difference to the engine.
In fact dirty oil is far less of a problem than low or no oil and the angles you mow on is far more important than actual oil filter.
Vertical shaft engines are the lowest quality engines ever produced partially because they are the cheapest engines ever produced.
I see way more engines worn out due to oil starvation from the owners mowing far too steep a slope an having the oil pick up pumping air than I do due to poor oil filtration
Now there is nothing wrong with fitting very expensive filters, they will not hurt your engine.
There is nothing wrong with using synthetic oil either.
But just like putting lipstick on a pig, they don't make much of a difference.
What is important is changing the oil and the more frequent the better as corrosive oil soluible by products of incomplete combustion do far more damage than the particulates which an oil filter removes.