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#1

Lohman mows lawns

Lohman mows lawns

Is ariens a good ok or bad brand for mowers




Is cub cadet a good ok or bad brand for mowers


#2

djdicetn

djdicetn

Is ariens a good ok or bad brand for mowers




Is cub cadet a good ok or bad brand for mowers
1)I have a next door neighbor that has had an Ariens ZTR for 15 years and it still makes his lawn look like a golf course. In fact, I just purchased a new Gravely Pro-Turn 152 XDZ zero turn and they are made by Ariens Co.(Gravely has made farm, lawn & other power equipment since 1916 and was purchased by Ariens in 2008). My neighbor's experience with Ariens and the Gravely build quality/warranty/price when I compared it to a half dozen other well known brands was my top choice and I am very happy with it.
2)I have a niece that had a residential Cub Cadet purchased from a big box retailer and she had nothing but problems with that mower. The better Cub Cadet models(and commercial models) you get from dealers may be better quality, but I didn't even consider them when I began shopping a month or so ago.


#3

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

Is ariens a good ok or bad brand for mowers




Is cub cadet a good ok or bad brand for mowers

It depends what kind of mower you want (push, rider, ZTR). Both brands are fairly good, though.


#4

Ric

Ric

Is ariens a good ok or bad brand for mowers




Is cub cadet a good ok or bad brand for mowers

Both are good brand mowers, I prefer the Cub Cadet. I've used the Cubs for years without any problems and I'd go with them before Ariens.


#5

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

Both are good brand mowers, I prefer the Cub Cadet. I've used the Cubs for years without any problems and I'd go with them before Ariens.

So you like Cub Cadets? For some reason I have the notion that they are not built that well. Is that true?


#6

Ric

Ric

So you like Cub Cadets? For some reason I have the notion that they are not built that well. Is that true?

The Cub Cadets are a very well built mower. I've run the the Z Force mowers for years and have never had any problems. My 48" ZTR was purchased in November 2010 and now has over 600hrs and the only thing I've done to that mower has been to replace the deck belt twice. There Walk Behind mowers like the G1336 was flawless and so are there caster self propelled mowers (CC98H).
The problem that Cub Cadet has is all the negative publicity they get about it being made by MTD which IMO a load of crap.


#7

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

The Cub Cadets are a very well built mower. I've run the the Z Force mowers for years and have never had any problems. My 48" ZTR was purchased in November 2010 and now has over 600hrs and the only thing I've done to that mower has been to replace the deck belt twice. There Walk Behind mowers like the G1336 was flawless and so are there caster self propelled mowers (CC98H).
The problem that Cub Cadet has is all the negative publicity they get about it being made by MTD which IMO a load of crap.

OK. How about their normal rider mowers? I mean I know they aren't built like they used to be, but are they still good??


#8

Ric

Ric

OK. How about their normal rider mowers? I mean I know they aren't built like they used to be, but are they still good??

There's nothing wrong with there normal mowers as you say and is anything built like it used to be? People need to understand what they're buying . The greatest percentage of mowers you buy at Home Depot or low end mowers are designed for a specific use. There meant for someone who has a residents with maybe 1/8 acre or 1/4 acre lot for a once a week cut, there not intended for everyday use. So are they still good, Yes as good as any other mower they have on the lot for there intended use.


#9

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

There's nothing wrong with there normal mowers as you say and is anything built like it used to be? People need to understand what they're buying . The greatest percentage of mowers you buy at Home Depot or low end mowers are designed for a specific use. There meant for someone who has a residents with maybe 1/8 acre or 1/4 acre lot for a once a week cut, there not intended for everyday use. So are they still good, Yes as good as any other mower they have on the lot for there intended use.

OK...good to know.


#10

djdicetn

djdicetn

There's nothing wrong with there normal mowers as you say and is anything built like it used to be? People need to understand what they're buying . The greatest percentage of mowers you buy at Home Depot or low end mowers are designed for a specific use. There meant for someone who has a residents with maybe 1/8 acre or 1/4 acre lot for a once a week cut, there not intended for everyday use. So are they still good, Yes as good as any other mower they have on the lot for there intended use.

I think that the point made here by Ric is the key to unrealistic expectations by some mower shoppers. If you buy a Cub Cadet, John Deere or any "name brand" at a big box retailer like Lowes or Home Depot and you expect the same quality as buying that same brand through a "dealer" you are just kidding yourself. My original post in this thread, where I quoted my niece having major problems with a Cub Cadet was indeed a residential unit she purchased from Home Depot. Unfortunately(she didn't ask me for advice), she just replaced that mower with a John Deere lawn tractor from Lowes(instead of going to the John Deere dealer half a mile from Lowes). I looked at the JD's at the local dealer when I was shopping for ZTR's and considered buying a 645, and I asked the sales manager if the JD's at Lowes were the same quality as the lawn tractors he had....he just laughed and shook his head. Yeah, my niece probably saved a couple hundred bucks from getting a similar lawn tractor from the dealer, but it's like the old addage..."you get what you pay for":0)


#11

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

I think that the point made here by Ric is the key to unrealistic expectations by some mower shoppers. If you buy a Cub Cadet, John Deere or any "name brand" at a big box retailer like Lowes or Home Depot and you expect the same quality as buying that same brand through a "dealer" you are just kidding yourself. My original post in this thread, where I quoted my niece having major problems with a Cub Cadet was indeed a residential unit she purchased from Home Depot. Unfortunately(she didn't ask me for advice), she just replaced that mower with a John Deere lawn tractor from Lowes(instead of going to the John Deere dealer half a mile from Lowes). I looked at the JD's at the local dealer when I was shopping for ZTR's and considered buying a 645, and I asked the sales manager if the JD's at Lowes were the same quality as the lawn tractors he had....he just laughed and shook his head. Yeah, my niece probably saved a couple hundred bucks from getting a similar lawn tractor from the dealer, but it's like the old addage..."you get what you pay for":0)

Exactly! I agree!


#12

Ric

Ric

I think that the point made here by Ric is the key to unrealistic expectations by some mower shoppers. If you buy a Cub Cadet, John Deere or any "name brand" at a big box retailer like Lowes or Home Depot and you expect the same quality as buying that same brand through a "dealer" you are just kidding yourself. My original post in this thread, where I quoted my niece having major problems with a Cub Cadet was indeed a residential unit she purchased from Home Depot. Unfortunately(she didn't ask me for advice), she just replaced that mower with a John Deere lawn tractor from Lowes(instead of going to the John Deere dealer half a mile from Lowes). I looked at the JD's at the local dealer when I was shopping for ZTR's and considered buying a 645, and I asked the sales manager if the JD's at Lowes were the same quality as the lawn tractors he had....he just laughed and shook his head. Yeah, my niece probably saved a couple hundred bucks from getting a similar lawn tractor from the dealer, but it's like the old addage..."you get what you pay for":0)

You said if you buy a Cub Cadet, John Deere or any "name brand" at a big box retailer like Lowes or Home Depot and you expect the same quality as buying that same brand through a "dealer" you are just kidding yourself and I agree that's why I said people need to understand what they're buying and know they are buying a low end mower at best. I also agree with the old adage..you get what you pay for, as one of the sales people at HD told me stupidity makes money.


#13

Carscw

Carscw

If you go to lowes and look at a mower then go to JD dealer and look at the same exact model they are the same exact mower.

JD does not make the same model mower different for the dealer then they do for lowes.

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#14

Carscw

Carscw

The dealer will match lowes price most of the time.

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#15

SHIMERGOLF

SHIMERGOLF

Both lowes and the john deere dealer sell the 100 series tractor made in tennessee. Only the john deere dealer sells the 300, 500, and 700 series made in horicon wisconsin.


#16

djdicetn

djdicetn

If you go to lowes and look at a mower then go to JD dealer and look at the same exact model they are the same exact mower.

JD does not make the same model mower different for the dealer then they do for lowes.

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So if they are exactly the same, why would I spend between $2,800 and $4,000 for a John Deere model D170 lawn tractor or an EZtrak Z425 zero turn at Lowes instead of going to the John Deere dealer to purchase one? And can you be absolutely certain that Lowes doesn't "custom order" the models D170 or Z425 from John Deere and specify less expensive(quality) components so they can sell them cheaper than the dealer? I relate this to Sears selling you a "Craftsman" lawn tractor that is manufactured(to Sears specs) by Husqvarna and the identical Husqvarna model having much better components/materials used in it's construction. Personally, I wouldn't take a chance on a Lowe's JD, but would opt for buying it from a dealer who would/could service the product's warranty after the sale.


#17

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

I am pretty sure that the mowers from Lowe's are worse quality, but I could be wrong.


#18

djdicetn

djdicetn

I am pretty sure that the mowers from Lowe's are worse quality, but I could be wrong.
LMF(you didn't by chance pick a forum user name with the same initials as the forum did you:0)
Yeah, the one resounding piece of advice I got on this forum that stuck in my mind when I was shopping for a ZTR was...."if you are gonna spend several thousand dollars on a piece of lawn garden equipment, stay away from the big box retailers and buy from a reputable dealer.....a good dealer's importance will only be recognized when you have problems with the equipment after the sale"!!!!! To me there's no price(or discount) that substitutes for peace of mind.
The day I picked up my Gravely, I noticed a couple of scratches on the motor cabin shield on the back that showed bare metal. I said something to the sales manager at the dealer and he ordered a can of Gravely red touch-up paint and called me a couple of days later to pick it up(of course at no charge). I don't think Lowes would do that for a scratch on a JD mower that they sell(but I too reserve the right to be wrong:0)


#19

Carscw

Carscw

A JD sold at lowes and the same model sold at the JD dealer is made at the same factory by the same people and sold to both for the same price.
Either way they are junk.
I would buy from the dealer always
They will test it and make sure all is right.
The dealer will sell it at the same price as lowes.

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#20

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

LMF(you didn't by chance pick a forum user name with the same initials as the forum did you:0)..............................I don't think Lowes would do that for a scratch on a JD mower that they sell(but I too reserve the right to be wrong:0)

haha!:laughing:
I agree with you, Lowe's would not have done that. I was demoing a mower at a dealer once and something was broken when I got it. They took it back and "fixed it". When they were going to deliver it back to me, the driver tested it to make sure it ran, but it had the same problem that I took it in for. So they worked on it again, and actually fixed it. If I would have demoed a mower at Lowe's (if you can even do that), and I had a problem, they would fix it, and if it still didn't work, they would have just given it back, not spent the time to make sure it actually worked. Definitely buy from a dealer!! They stand behind their products!


#21

djdicetn

djdicetn

A JD sold at lowes and the same model sold at the JD dealer is made at the same factory by the same people and sold to both for the same price.
Either way they are junk.
I would buy from the dealer always
They will test it and make sure all is right.
The dealer will sell it at the same price as lowes.

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Carscw,
So is what you are saying.....if you buy a JD 100 series regardless of where you buy it you are, as forum user Ric put it, "buying a low end mower at best". But if you purchase one of the JD series 300, 500 or 700 series lawn tractors(available ONLY at the dealer) then you are getting a real "John Deere quality" piece of equipment?


#22

Carscw

Carscw

djdicetn said:
Carscw,
So is what you are saying.....if you buy a JD 100 series regardless of where you buy it you are, as forum user Ric put it, "buying a low end mower at best". But if you purchase one of the JD series 300, 500 or 700 series lawn tractors(available ONLY at the dealer) then you are getting a real "John Deere quality" piece of equipment?

Yes a JD 100 is a low end mower at best.
And yes you can only get the 300 and up from the dealer.
And did not know JD made a quality mower.
JD makes good farm tractors but as far as mowers go why not save some $ and get a craftsman better price and better built

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#23

djdicetn

djdicetn

Yes a JD 100 is a low end mower at best.
And yes you can only get the 300 and up from the dealer.
And did not know JD made a quality mower.
JD makes good farm tractors but as far as mowers go why not save some $ and get a craftsman better price and better built

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Well put, Carscw(but you may have hurt the feelings of some JD owners:0)
When I looked at the JD dealer and the best Zero Turn they could show me in the $6,000-$7,000 range was the EZtrak Z645 that had a "stamped" 9 gauge deck I wasn't real impressed. I mean it was "nice" but kinda pricey compared to the other ZTR's I had looked at in that price range. Then the sales manager tried to convince me that JD had determined that stamped decks had a superior cut to fabricated decks and I wasn't ready to buy into that story. But like you said, the 2006 Craftsman 54" YS4500(made by Husqvarna) for $1,800 was a great mower for that price and if my son takes as good of care of it as I did he'll probably get another 10 years out of it. With a mulch kit that mower cuts "almost" as good as a ZTR costing 2-3 times that much money. Definitely a good bang for your buck!!


#24

Ric

Ric

Now I'm not a fan of JD and JD mowers sold at Lowes and HD are a low end mowers at best, but there still a better mower than a Craftsman.


#25

djdicetn

djdicetn

Now I'm not a fan of JD and JD mowers sold at Lowes and HD are a low end mowers at best, but there still a better mower than a Craftsman.

Ric,

Like the Avatar!!!!! My reply to user Carscw was to elude to his statement about bang for your buck. My previous Craftsman in the fall of 2006 was a $2,000 lawn tractor I bought at end-of-season for $1,800. Basically a Husqvarna with a little cheaper 24hp Briggs & Stratton Intek, a 54" deck(10 gauge) and a Hydrogear trannie I still consider it a very good buy(actually the 2006 Consumer Reports lawn tractor review listed two John Deere's as #1 & #2, with this particular Craftsman model was rated as #3 and for the price a "CR best Buy/Recommended" lawn tractor). I can't really compare to what Lowes sold JD's for in 2006, but the model they currently sell that is "similar" to that Craftsman appears to be the D170(54" 26hp) lawn tractor. Based upon it's MSRP of $2,800 I would still purchase a Craftsman for a lot less money(although, Sears' line of Craftsman lawn tractors is pretty slim pickings compared to what they had in 2006....most likely a sign of their diminished prominence as a retailer and speculated potential bankruptcy after K-Mart tried, apparently unsuccessfully, to bail them out).


#26

Carscw

Carscw

My brother inlaw has a JD300. ( I told him not to buy junk) and it would not cut his grass after not cutting it for two months was about a foot tall it would bog down in first gear and had to cut it twice I came over with my 2009 craftsman lts1500
And cut it at all most full speed and only had to cut once.
My 22 year old ace mower by MTD will out cut them both

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#27

C

CZLawnCare

If you want a real machine pick up one of these, I'd like to see a craftsman pull that as well as my x304

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C

CZLawnCare

Forgot to attach thsi pic.

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#29

Carscw

Carscw

Not sure why you think a craftsman will not pull that?
You do know that they both use the same engine or are you one of the ones that think JD makes there own engine?
There is a reason no one uses a JD to make a race mower or a mud mower. The frames are not as strong as a craftsman or a Murray.

You paid the extra money for a name that is not half as good as it once was.

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#30

C

CZLawnCare

I have the john deere exclusive kawasaki engine so i do think i have a different engine than a craftsman


#31

T

tybilly

i think they all make tall grass short


#32

djdicetn

djdicetn

If you want a real machine pick up one of these, I'd like to see a craftsman pull that as well as my x304
CZLawnCare,
No offense intended, but about what does an X304 cost new? Since the main purpose of a lawn tractor is to cut grass not pull stuff I've got to ask.....with a 42" "stamped deck" can you attest that it leaves as professional of a cut lawn as a ZTR(or even a lawn tractor) with a fabricated deck costing about the same??? As I eluded to earlier in this thread, I paid $1,800 for a 2006 54" Craftsman with a 10 gauge stamped deck and with a mulch kit it had a VERY even, "close to" professional cut. I was a little disappointed when I visited my JD dealer and they couldn't show me any ZTR's in the $6,000 range that had a fabricated deck. That's an awful lot of money to pay for a 9 gauge stamped deck like the Z645 they showed me. My Gravely has a reinforced 7 gauge(lifetime warranty) deck and the Bad Boy I looked at had a 5 gauge deck(that's solid 1/4 inch thick deck). I just felt like the JD's were "overpriced" for what you get.


#33

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

If you want a real machine pick up one of these, I'd like to see a craftsman pull that as well as my x304

Forgot to attach thsi pic.

NICE!!! :thumbsup::thumbsup:


#34

Ric

Ric

CZLawnCare,
No offense intended, but about what does an X304 cost new? Since the main purpose of a lawn tractor is to cut grass not pull stuff I've got to ask.....with a 42" "stamped deck" can you attest that it leaves as professional of a cut lawn as a ZTR(or even a lawn tractor) with a fabricated deck costing about the same??? As I eluded to earlier in this thread, I paid $1,800 for a 2006 54" Craftsman with a 10 gauge stamped deck and with a mulch kit it had a VERY even, "close to" professional cut. I was a little disappointed when I visited my JD dealer and they couldn't show me any ZTR's in the $6,000 range that had a fabricated deck. That's an awful lot of money to pay for a 9 gauge stamped deck like the Z645 they showed me. My Gravely has a reinforced 7 gauge(lifetime warranty) deck and the Bad Boy I looked at had a 5 gauge deck(that's solid 1/4 inch thick deck). I just felt like the JD's were "overpriced" for what you get.

I agree the JD's "overpriced" for what you get, half of what you're paying for is green paint and a name.


#35

M

My_guy99

Sorry guys, I'm a truck driver and when I was over-the road I delivered to Mtd in South Carolina an I went out on the floor an just said wow, pretty awesome lookin place I might add! I asked one of the workers which brand they make an he pointed it out! ALL OF THEM! "We just put the body's on but they all are around about the same mower, same parts just different paint scheme and stickers! I seen reds ones green ones orange and some all aluminum housing ones to, no stickers. Take ur guess to what came out!


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