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Mar 19, 2013#1

jekjr

Look at the length of the tushes on the pig on his mouth.

Mar 19, 2013#2

reynoldston

Is that a Alabama gator?

If so I am sure glad its in your neighborhood and not mine. I thought I didn't like snakes but a snake you can kill.

Mar 19, 2013#3

RobertBrown

That ain't no gator. That's a crocodile!
I suspect you have been mislead.
My guess is that pic is from South Africa.
The pig is a wart hog.

Mar 19, 2013#4

reynoldston

RobertBrown said:
That ain't no gator. That's a crocodile!
I suspect you have been mislead.
My guess is that pic is from South Africa.
The pig is a wart hog.

Not that hard to mislead a Northern boy when it comes southern reptiles or wild hogs.

Mar 19, 2013#5

jekjr

reynoldston said:
Not that hard to mislead a Northern boy when it comes southern reptiles or wild hogs.

It could be a croc from where ever and a wart hog. However the guy that sent it to me a couple of years ago said that the photo was taken in the vicinity of where interstate 10 and interstate 55 intersect in Louisiana. Supposedly it was on a rural paved road somewhere close to there.

I have shown it to numerous people that are outdoors men and hog hunt and I have never had anybody else say it was no a gator nor a wild hog.

If you examine it you find that the snout is pretty wide on it and a croc that big I think would have a much longer snout.

Mar 19, 2013#6

jekjr

reynoldston said:
Is that a Alabama gator? If so I am sure glad its in your neighborhood and not mine. I thought I didn't like snakes but a snake you can kill.

I have seen many gators in the wild in the rivers of south Alabama. I have seen some that were very large. I have never see one that big.

Mar 20, 2013#7

Two-Stroke

Based on this comparison chart, it looks like a crocodile to me. You can't see the snout -- a narrower, more pointed snout (crocodile only) would be definitive.

Here's another interesting factoid I found (on this page):

All alligators are crocodiles, but not all crocodiles are alligators.
...
Both alligators and crocodiles are members of the reptilian order Crocodylia. But the families they belong to, Alligatoridae and Crocodylidae respectively, differ. Often, when people use the word "crocodile" what they really mean is "crocodilian." This term encompasses not just the common alligators and crocodiles you might already know, but also the lesser known Gavialidae family that contains the lone gavial, or gharial. All told, there are 23 species of crocodilians.

Mar 20, 2013#8

jekjr

Two-Stroke said:
Based on this comparison chart, it looks like a crocodile to me. You can't see the snout -- a narrower, more pointed snout (crocodile only) would be definitive.

Here's another interesting factoid I found (on this page):

I did not take the picture and I did not see the gator. The guy that sent it to me is from Lousiana. I have not talked to him in a good while now. He sent me the picture and said where it was taken. For all I know he could be mistaken or a liar. However IF it was taken where he said it was taken it is not a crocodile it is a big honkin gator. Crocs do not range that far north YET or if they do none of the folks I know have seen any. There are some tremendous gators in Alabama as well as Lousiana, Mississippi, and Florida. I personally have seen some in the wild. Just not sure if they were close to that one. I think the Al State record is over 600#'s now and something like 13'+ long. Seems like the last record Gator I saw was heavier than the previous one but shorter...... The last one I saw pictures of was taken approx 150 miles from the coast on the Alabama River. It seems like the record is broke now every year or so because there is ow a legal hunting season on them here. Although those that are over 9 to 10 feet are not that common those that are smaller are everywhere. I have seen as many as 50 in a short stretch of the Alabama River in the spring at night when jug fishing.

Mar 20, 2013#9

jekjr

reynoldston said:
Not that hard to mislead a Northern boy when it comes southern reptiles or wild hogs.

As for wild hogs many parts of the South are over run with wild hogs. I have known people to trap and kill as many as 40 hogs in one trap in one day.

Mar 20, 2013#10

Ric

jekjr said:
I did not take the picture and I did not see the gator. The guy that sent it to me is from Lousiana. I have not talked to him in a good while now. He sent me the picture and said where it was taken. For all I know he could be mistaken or a liar. However IF it was taken where he said it was taken it is not a crocodile it is a big honkin gator. Crocs do not range that far north YET or if they do none of the folks I know have seen any. There are some tremendous gators in Alabama as well as Lousiana, Mississippi, and Florida. I personally have seen some in the wild. Just not sure if they were close to that one. I think the Al State record is over 600#'s now and something like 13'+ long. Seems like the last record Gator I saw was heavier than the previous one but shorter...... The last one I saw pictures of was taken approx 150 miles from the coast on the Alabama River. It seems like the record is broke now every year or so because there is ow a legal hunting season on them here. Although those that are over 9 to 10 feet are not that common those that are smaller are everywhere. I have seen as many as 50 in a short stretch of the Alabama River in the spring at night when jug fishing.

Personally I think it's a gator, the Florida length record is 14 feet 3 1/2" and was caught in a lake in Brevard county according to Florida game. The weight record is 1043 lbs caught in 1989 claim was it was 17 and a half feet caught just outside Gainesville Florida. There are Croc's in the glades and there population is growing in numbers.

Mar 20, 2013#11

reynoldston

jekjr said:
As for wild hogs many parts of the South are over run with wild hogs. I have known people to trap and kill as many as 40 hogs in one trap in one day.

The hogs are comeing into southern New York. I guess they are doing a lot of damage so they have made a open hunting hunting season on them. Just that can you do with a wild hog, is it fit to eat?

Mar 20, 2013#12

Ric

reynoldston said:
The hogs are comeing into southern New York. I guess they are doing a lot of damage so they have made a open hunting hunting season on them. Just that can you do with a wild hog, is it fit to eat?

Best eating in the world if you like ham, sausage oh and don't forget the brain. I guess you never heard about cleaning a hog. The only part of the hog that is wasted when you dress or clean it for eating is the (Squeal)

Mar 20, 2013#13

RobertBrown

Crocodylus niloticus

Mar 20, 2013#14

jekjr

reynoldston said:
Now I know about domestic raised pigs and have raised them myself. I know what I fed them and castrated the males.
I sure didn't eat the brain. I was just wondering about a wild hogs seeing they would eat anything and the males not
castrated if the meat would be a lot stronger tasting and not fit to eat? Now when it came time to eat the domestic
pigs I just loaded into a truck and brought them to the butcher shop and picked up the meat after a few days all packaged.
No heads, brain, or guts other then the liver.

In Alabama once you trap them you have to kill them. There is like an $800 per hog fine if you are caught moving them alive.

One sow can have 8 or more pigs and she will do that 2 to 3 times a year. By the time she is ready to drop her third litter the females she had in the first litter are bred and getting close to having their first litter. As you can tell by that the multiplication factor of wild hogs is incredible.

Mar 20, 2013#15

Ric

Ric said:
Best eating in the world if you like ham, sausage oh and don't forget the brain. I guess you never heard about cleaning a hog. The only part of the hog that is wasted when you dress or clean it for eating is the (Squeal)

reynoldston said:
Now I know about domestic raised pigs and have raised them myself. I know what I fed them and castrated the males.
I sure didn't eat the brain. I was just wondering about a wild hogs seeing they would eat anything and the males not
castrated if the meat would be a lot stronger tasting and not fit to eat? Now when it came time to eat the domestic
pigs I just loaded into a truck and brought them to the butcher shop and picked up the meat after a few days all packaged.
No heads, brain, or guts other then the liver.

You should do anything different with a wild pig than a domestic. If your hunting them and kill one the first thing is to castrate if male, cut the throat and let them bleed and if you prefer a butcher and can find one let them do it or do dress it your self. Actually the wild pig is better eating than the domestic, same with turkey. If you're worried about the strong or game taste when your through throw the meat into a big garbage bucket with a little salt and water and let it soak over night clean it the next morning and put it in the deep freeze. Now that Gator he eats the squeal too, he don't waste nothin.

Mar 20, 2013#16

midnite rider

Some facts on crocodilians:

The crocodilians, which include alligators, caimans, crocodiles and the gavial, are living fossils -- swamp dwelling survivors from the Age of Reptiles when dinosaurs ruled the earth. Almost every tropical country has one or more kinds of them and in Columbia, South America, there are seven or eight. Only the two species of alligators live in more temperate regions: one in the United States and the other, almost extinct, in the Yangtze valley of China.

The American Alligator is now common only in the watery interior of Florida, the great Okefenokee Swamp of southern Georgia and the Louisiana bayous. The American Crocodile, of which a few remain in Everglades National Park and the Florida Keys, ranges through the West Indies and from southern Mexico to Ecuador. The most obvious difference between them is that an alligator's snout is much broader. The crocodile is far more vicious.

An alligator grows rapidly. By the end of the first year, it is about 18 inches in length. In five years it may become six feet long. In the 1700's the naturalist, William Bartram, reported alligators so thick in the St. Johns River, Florida, that he could have crossed that broad stream by walking on their backs and some measured 20 feet in length. Nowadays their numbers have been greatly reduced and few get to be more than 10 feet long. Unless it is teased, or guarding its nest, an alligator will rarely attack a person.

Mar 20, 2013#17

RobertBrown

this is a Gator

http://www.lawnmowerforum.com/front-porch/6110-winters-coming-14.html#post51140

Mar 21, 2013#18

Bison

RobertBrown said:
That ain't no gator. That's a crocodile!
I suspect you have been mislead.
My guess is that pic is from South Africa.
The pig is a wart hog.

It don't look a wart hog to me,..Wart hogs don't get that size either

The gator misses part of its tail.

Mar 21, 2013#19

RobertBrown

Bison said:
It don't look a wart hog to me,..Wart hogs don't get that size either

The gator misses part of its tail.

It's a Nile crocodile...........with a Wart hog in it's mouth.

Mar 21, 2013#20

Bison

RobertBrown said:
It's a Nile crocodile...........with a Wart hog in it's mouth.

A warthog has a long reddish mane on it's neck and tusks in both upper and lower jaw,.....did you see any mane in the pic?
A croc has a longer narrower snouth than the gator.

Conclusion,... its a gator with a feral or wild hog in his jaws.:tongue:

Mar 22, 2013#21

RobertBrown

Bison said:
A warthog has a long reddish mane on it's neck and tusks in both upper and lower jaw,.....did you see any mane in the pic?
A croc has a longer narrower snouth than the gator.

Conclusion,... its a gator with a feral or wild hog in his jaws.:tongue:

Do you see the drops of water under the Croc?
Crocodiles are aquatic, they are not like bison, they live in the water. They also hunt in the water,which is where this one got lucky and snagged this sow.
The sow is wet and the hair is stuck to the back of the hog in the croc's mouth.
It's a croc and that is a wart hog.:thumbsup:

Mar 22, 2013#22

jekjr

RobertBrown said:
Do you see the drops of water under the Croc?
Crocodiles are aquatic, they are not like bison, they live in the water. They also hunt in the water,which is where this one got lucky and snagged this sow.
The sow is wet and the hair is stuck to the back of the hog in the croc's mouth.
It's a croc and that is a wart hog.:thumbsup:

Every Gator I ever saw was in or around the water as well.......

Personally I believe it is a large gator and a feral hog.

Mar 22, 2013#23

Ric

RobertBrown said:
Do you see the drops of water under the Croc?
Crocodiles are aquatic, they are not like bison, they live in the water. They also hunt in the water,which is where this one got lucky and snagged this sow.
The sow is wet and the hair is stuck to the back of the hog in the croc's mouth.
It's a croc and that is a wart hog.:thumbsup:

Robert you are right Crocodiles are aquatic, they live in a brackish to salt water habitat and hunt from the water. Do to the fact of this alligator location and is up on all fours walking and is not to my knowledge near any salt water would indicate to me it's a Alligator not a croc. The other thing is color isn't right for being a croc, being out of water he should be a really light brown not green and black.

Mar 22, 2013#24

Bison

RobertBrown said:
Do you see the drops of water under the Croc?
Crocodiles are aquatic, they are not like bison, they live in the water. They also hunt in the water,which is where this one got lucky and snagged this sow.
The sow is wet and the hair is stuck to the back of the hog in the croc's mouth.
It's a croc and that is a wart hog.:thumbsup:

Ok ,lets have an argument:wink:
If that croc snagged that hog in the water he would've ate it there as well as it is their normal environment
I think that hog was dead and the croc smelled the carcass and he went onland and across the road to go get it and is now on its way back to his pond or creek to eat it.

Mar 22, 2013#25

R

Rivets

Maybe this website will put this to bed.

Crocodile with a pig in its jaw | Outdoor Oddities

Mar 22, 2013#26

jekjr

Rivets said:
Maybe this website will put this to bed.

Crocodile with a pig in its jaw | Outdoor Oddities

Only thing it puts to rest for me is possibly where it was taken. The people responding are arguing which it is just like on here except here they are more civil....... Personally it still looks more like a gator than a croc and it looks like a feral hog. Apparently the guy that sent was lying or passing on info somebody gave him........

Mar 22, 2013#27

RobertBrown

Ric said:
Robert you are right Crocodiles are aquatic, they live in a brackish to salt water habitat and hunt from the water. Do to the fact of this alligator location and is up on all fours walking and is not to my knowledge near any salt water would indicate to me it's a Alligator not a croc. The other thing is color isn't right for being a croc, being out of water he should be a really light brown not green and black.

It's a Nile Crocodile
Nile crocodile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mar 22, 2013#28

RobertBrown

If that croc snagged that hog in the water he would've ate it there as well as it is their normal environment

Sound logic...but why did the chicken cross the road?

I think that hog was dead and the croc smelled the carcass and he went onland and across the road to go get it and is now on its way back to his pond or creek to eat it.

Maybe there is a creek on both sides of the road, and he took his Wart hog for a walk and it was hit by a passing car, knocked into the creek and drowned.
The hog wanted to be buried next to his favorite stretch of creek so the Croc was ....doing right by his friend and honoring his friends wishes.....Hakuna Matata!
That would explain the water on the road under the Croc.....Corcodile tears!

BUT! It is a Crocodile and that is a Warthog in it's mouth.

Mar 22, 2013#29

Bison

RobertBrown said:
Sound logic...but why did the chicken cross the road?

Maybe there is a creek on both sides of the road, and he took his Wart hog for a walk and it was hit by a passing car, knocked into the creek and drowned.
The hog wanted to be buried next to his favorite stretch of creek so the Croc was ....doing right by his friend and honoring his friends wishes.....Hakuna Matata!
That would explain the water on the road under the Croc.....Corcodile tears!

BUT! It is a Crocodile and that is a Warthog in it's mouth.

To get to the other side.:wink:
Maybe he pissed his pants when he seen that semi coming:laughing:

I stick with the gator and a pig til PROVEN otherwise :tongue:

A ausie croc has merrit too cause they tend to clear the ground when walking.

Mar 22, 2013#30

RobertBrown

Bison said:
I stick with the gator and a pig til PROVEN otherwise :tongue:

A ausie croc has merrit too cause they tend to clear the ground when walking.

Oh I see, you want me to do your work for you.

Do you acknowledge that although there are Crocs like this in Australia, there are no Warthogs there?
Also:
There are only Warthogs in Africa...... If it is a Warthog, then the photo must have been taken in Africa...and since there are no Alligators in Africa.......if it indeed has a Warthog in it's mouth, then it can't be a Gator it must be a Croc.
Correct?

Mar 23, 2013#31

Bison

RobertBrown said:
Oh I see, you want me to do your work for you.

Do you acknowledge that although there are Crocs like this in Australia, there are no Warthogs there?
Also:
There are only Warthogs in Africa...... If it is a Warthog, then the photo must have been taken in Africa...and since there are no Alligators in Africa.......if it indeed has a Warthog in it's mouth, then it can't be a Gator it must be a Croc.
Correct?

You're the only one that insists it's warthog. i say it's a pig cause it lacks the reddish mane, these hairs are kinda stiff so even if wet most will stick up and be clearly visable.

There are many diff african animals in zoo's and held as pets in Amerika,why not warthogs? animals do escape so it could stil be a gator that caught an escaped warthog....but it ain't based on the pic.
To establish for sure if it is a gator,a nile crock or salty is a wee bit tougher cause one can't see the width of snout clearly and there is no size mentioned and the body's are look alike.

Ahh the possibillitys?....I stil say its a gator with a pig :wink:

Mar 23, 2013#32

M

Mower manic

That crocodilian is a crocodile, alligators are not even close to that color. An alligator that size would be black.
I can't tell what it's got in it's mouth, whatever it is looks to have a tusk.
No doubt about it.IMHO:thumbsup:

Mar 24, 2013#33

Bison

Mower manic said:
That crocodilian is a crocodile, alligators are not even close to that color. An alligator that size would be black.
I can't tell what it's got in it's mouth, whatever it is looks to have a tusk.No doubt about it.IMHO:thumbsup:

Maybe that hog was eating banana's when he got caught.:laughing:
OK,.lets cut the crap,.....it's a reptillian with a suidae in its jaws,.....happy now:wink:

Mar 26, 2013#34

M

Mower manic

Bison said:
Maybe that hog was eating banana's when he got caught.:laughing:
OK,.lets cut the crap,.....it's a reptillian with a suidae in its jaws,.....happy now:wink:

Cut it yourself.
That photo has been circulating the internet for at least a year. Claims about the location vary including several in Florida, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, and even Australia. I've seen it several times.
It's actually a screen capture from a video shot in Kruger National Park....that's in South Africa.
Many people have been fooled by it....that's apparent....even in Florida, where Alligators are seen on a daily basis, one member has one in his back yard (Alligator) and even he can't tell it from a Crocodile.
It's about your ability to pay attention to detail.

Mar 29, 2013#35

Bison

Soooo,....Robert brown was right after all!.

who woud had thunk that :biggrin:

Mar 29, 2013#36

RobertBrown

Bison said:
Soooo,....Robert brown was right after all!.
who woud had thunk that :biggrin:

This is a Wart hog....having a bad day.
This is the same Croc with the same hog....same place, same time.

This is the video, shot in Kruger park in South Africa.
1m High Huge Crocodile Eating Warthog in the Road - Kruger Sightings - YouTube

Mar 29, 2013#37

Bison

RobertBrown said:
This is a Wart hog....having a bad day.
This is the same Croc with the same hog....same place, same time.

This is the video, shot in Kruger park in South Africa.
1m High Huge Crocodile Eating Warthog in the Road - Kruger Sightings - YouTube

I knew you was right from the start,but i figured on having some fun,....it worked:laughing:

It was all in jest my friend :wink:

Mar 30, 2013#38

Two-Stroke

RobertBrown said:
This is a Wart hog....having a bad day.
This is the same Croc with the same hog....same place, same time.

This is the video, shot in Kruger park in South Africa.
1m High Huge Crocodile Eating Warthog in the Road - Kruger Sightings - YouTube

Thanks for posting the link. Watching the video gave me a better sense for how huge that thing is.

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