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First oil change at 18 hrs!!

#1

TnHusky

TnHusky

,Don't want to sound anal about this but I was talking to the guys at the Co-op and they suggested getting the break in oil out by at least 20 hrs if not sooner. So I bit the bullet and bought 2 qts of Kohler 10w-30 oil. Now I can tell you this, the oil that came out was red colored. Not like I put back in. Also the filter wasn't exactly the same either. The oem one was bigger and had bigger oil holes in it. The one I installed had smaller oil flow holes except one which was bigger. Must have been a universal filter.
Anyway, 2qt's spilled on the floor :ashamed:When drain hose fell off and 2qts in and new filter and also installed a pre filter on the ac, so I'm ready for another 25 hrs or so.

I know dj I said I was going to run Pennzoil but the Kohler Oil seems like it's pretty good stuff so I just stuck with it, for now anyways.


#2

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Rivets

The next time you change the oil and filter I suggest that you use Kohler filter 52 050 02. Kohler has two filters and this is the larger one. No need to purchase the Kohler oil if you don't want to. Any 10W-30 that has an SAE stamp on it and an API rating of SG or higher will do a good job for you, if you follow proper maintainence schedules.


#3

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1894

TnHusky said:
,...... Now I can tell you this, the oil that came out was red colored. Not like I put back in.

I know dj I said I was going to run Pennzoil but the Kohler Oil seems like it's pretty good stuff so I just stuck with it, for now anyways.
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:laughing: I had never heard of different oil makers ( kohler buys from several ) adding color to oil . Well until 2 days ago that is , when I did my first oil change on my new kohler . I used a 3 liter bottle so I could see if there was any crap or metal in the oil. The oil was a very dark green :eek:
Dealer said it was normal , they sold me wolfs head 10 - 30 and the filter mentioned above .


#4

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DonCT

1894 said:
:laughing: I had never heard of different oil makers ( kohler buys from several ) adding color to oil . Well until 2 days ago that is , when I did my first oil change on my new kohler . I used a 3 liter bottle so I could see if there was any crap or metal in the oil. The oil was a very dark green :eek:
Dealer said it was normal , they sold me wolfs head 10 - 30 and the filter mentioned above .
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I read somewhere (I know...) that oil companies routinely add color to their oil because the basestock is almost completely colorless (think 3-In-1 oil). As part of the additive packages they add an amber dye so the finished product "looks like oil".


#5

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Mini Motors

I've only seen 2 stroke oils with color, and that's so you can tell the difference between it and straight gas. I'd seriously ask the dealer what oil it was.


#6

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1894

I've seen the blue in the 2 stroke oil as well.
Do new mowers come shipped with oil in the motors ?


#7

djdicetn

djdicetn

TnHusky said:
,Don't want to sound anal about this but I was talking to the guys at the Co-op and they suggested getting the break in oil out by at least 20 hrs if not sooner. So I bit the bullet and bought 2 qts of Kohler 10w-30 oil. Now I can tell you this, the oil that came out was red colored. Not like I put back in. Also the filter wasn't exactly the same either. The oem one was bigger and had bigger oil holes in it. The one I installed had smaller oil flow holes except one which was bigger. Must have been a universal filter.
Anyway, 2qt's spilled on the floor :ashamed:When drain hose fell off and 2qts in and new filter and also installed a pre filter on the ac, so I'm ready for another 25 hrs or so.

I know dj I said I was going to run Pennzoil but the Kohler Oil seems like it's pretty good stuff so I just stuck with it, for now anyways.
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I forgive you for lyin' to me:0)
Seriously, I too would ask the dealer about that "red" break-in oil if the Kohler oil you bought didn't look the same. If they didn't receive your mower from Husqvarna with oil already in it they might have an easily distracted mechanic that filled your engine with Dexron Automatic Transmission fluid!!!:0)
I would follow user Rivet's advice on the oil filter!! I've seen GM and Ford "change" the OEM "part#" of the oil filters that came on my vehicles when I bought them and changed the oil over the years.....only to discover the "replacement filter" was significantly "smaller" and as you mentioned had "smaller holes". The auto parts stores told me that all of them were doing this just to save a teeny bit on the cost(metal used) of manufacturing oil filters but I'm a firm believer that both larger capacity and larger filtering holes(for increased flow) are preferable for engine protection!!! I found a specific store that had the "old filters" in stock(the AC/DELCO for my truck) and bought every one that they had(12) and had them order 12 more from the warehouse(all they showed in stock) because they were the old ones too. At least I'll be good for another 72K miles(which will put that 1995 Z71 at over 300,000 miles(WOW, hard to believe huh:0)
P.S.
BTW, I did tell you I've run nothing in that Chevy truck except Pennzoil 10w30 for the last 230K miles didn't I? Still uses(leaks) less than a pint between oil changes which is very tolerable!!!


#8

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1894

djdicetn;111091 Seriously said:
Dang , must be the easily distracted mechanic filled my engine with some old anti-freeze instead of oil .
Only 7 hours on it though , replacement oil looks like oil though .


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#9

djdicetn

djdicetn

1894 said:
Dang , must be the easily distracted mechanic filled my engine with some old anti-freeze instead of oil .
Only 7 hours on it though , replacement oil looks like oil though .


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Hmmmmm, antifreeze may not be a very good substitute for lubrication.......but at least your engine wouldn't overheat if it had at least a 50/50 mix:0)


#10

TnHusky

TnHusky

djdicetn said:
I forgive you for lyin' to me:0)
Seriously, I too would ask the dealer about that "red" break-in oil if the Kohler oil you bought didn't look the same. If they didn't receive your mower from Husqvarna with oil already in it they might have an easily distracted mechanic that filled your engine with Dexron Automatic Transmission fluid!!!:0)
I would follow user Rivet's advice on the oil filter!! I've seen GM and Ford "change" the OEM "part#" of the oil filters that came on my vehicles when I bought them and changed the oil over the years.....only to discover the "replacement filter" was significantly "smaller" and as you mentioned had "smaller holes". The auto parts stores told me that all of them were doing this just to save a teeny bit on the cost(metal used) of manufacturing oil filters but I'm a firm believer that both larger capacity and larger filtering holes(for increased flow) are preferable for engine protection!!! I found a specific store that had the "old filters" in stock(the AC/DELCO for my truck) and bought every one that they had(12) and had them order 12 more from the warehouse(all they showed in stock) because they were the old ones too. At least I'll be good for another 72K miles(which will put that 1995 Z71 at over 300,000 miles(WOW, hard to believe huh:0)
P.S.
BTW, I did tell you I've run nothing in that Chevy truck except Pennzoil 10w30 for the last 230K miles didn't I? Still uses(leaks) less than a pint between oil changes which is very tolerable!!!
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dj I was swayed on the oil. :laughing: The oil I drained out was slick but just couldn't get over the reddish color. It wasn't bright red like tranny fluid and was thicker than tranny fluid. I think it may have been assembly lube mixed with the oil to change the color somewhat. I can say that after the oil change the engine is a little quieter though. I know, I know, how many times have we heard that too. You know, a guy changes oil or brands of oil and say's, my throttle response is better, more power and runs cooler :rolleyes:, I don't know about all that but it is quieter by a little. And I agree also on the oil filters as well. I'll go back with the original filter the next time and bypass the universal one for someone else.


#11

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Mini Motors

First, engines are never shipped with oil in the crankcase. The risk of spillage if the carton is tipped over is too great. Oil is installed at the dealer, or is up to the purchaser to do.

Now when I hear "red", I think of Marvel Mystery Oil, and I can see some young kid that doesn't know any better putting that, or something else red in thinking "oil is oil, right?"


#12

TnHusky

TnHusky

I think it was oil, not marvel mystery oil. That stuff stinks. Anyway all is fine, I mowed after the change and it ran well. But looking at the oil on the dip stick you couldn't tell it had any color in it at all. I still think it was assembly lube, that's all.


#13

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Rivets

Hate to burst, your bubble Mini, but Kohler does ship their motor in both push mowers and tractors with oil in them. Most of the time you just have to top it off. That said, I have never seen them with anything but the normal color of oil in them


#14

B

Brucebotti

Mini Motors said:
First, engines are never shipped with oil in the crankcase. The risk of spillage if the carton is tipped over is too great. Oil is installed at the dealer, or is up to the purchaser to do.

Now when I hear "red", I think of Marvel Mystery Oil, and I can see some young kid that doesn't know any better putting that, or something else red in thinking "oil is oil, right?"
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I bought my Toro MX5060 on line, and it arrived with oil in it. I would think that most would come with oil. Hopefully spillage would not be an issue. If the carton tipped over, I would think that there would be a bigger problem than some spilled oil.
Take care,
Bruce


#15

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Mini Motors

Well I don't want to get into a war here, but I would point out that it's illegal to "ship" anything like we're talking about with oil in the crankcase. I used to work as a shipping clerk at a large motorcycle dealership, and I know what obstacles have to be overcome just to ship oil in cases. Look up "ORM-D".

But I find it real hard to believe that something the size and scope of a MX-5060 shipped from a factory without any dealer assembly or adjustment. First, anything coming off an assembly line needs final adjustment to run properly, and traveling hundreds/thousands of miles can take a toll on things. And most manufacturers require a dealer to do final adjustments before a warranty is valid on something of this size and complexity. I don't doubt that you bought it online and that it was delivered. I'm just saying that you probably weren't aware of it's last stop on it's journey to you.


#16

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Brucebotti

Mini Motors said:
Well I don't want to get into a war here, but I would point out that it's illegal to "ship" anything like we're talking about with oil in the crankcase. I used to work as a shipping clerk at a large motorcycle dealership, and I know what obstacles have to be overcome just to ship oil in cases. Look up "ORM-D".

But I find it real hard to believe that something the size and scope of a MX-5060 shipped from a factory without any dealer assembly or adjustment. First, anything coming off an assembly line needs final adjustment to run properly, and traveling hundreds/thousands of miles can take a toll on things. And most manufacturers require a dealer to do final adjustments before a warranty is valid on something of this size and complexity. I don't doubt that you bought it online and that it was delivered. I'm just saying that you probably weren't aware of it's last stop on it's journey to you.
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Mini Motors,
I agree. I have no desire to get into a war either. My Toro was shipped directly from MowerSource in MN. Maybe they added it, but I doubt it. It was shipped via FedEx Freight. I worked at the terminal that it was delivered to and I know that they don't touch any shipments other than to load and unload. As a sidenote, my set-up instructions, that came with the mower, said to check the oil level prior to the initial startup.

So, I have no idea who put the oil in, but my money would be on Toro doing it at the factory.
Take care,
Bruce


#17

R

Rivets

All I know is that any mowers we receive with a Kohler engine has oil in it.


#18

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Brucebotti

Rivets said:
All I know is that any mowers we receive with a Kohler engine has oil in it.
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That's what I thought. I think there would be a lot of blown engines (due to lack of oil), if they were shipped direct to customers without oil. Plus, I would hope that they would at least start them at the factory to make sure that they at least run.
Thanks for the info,
Bruce


#19

M

Mini Motors

And there a few blown engines. Most people know what to do, but... Hilarious story. I'm at my local lawnmower shop getting some parts, and a guy had his brand new walk behind he had bought from Home Depot. It was locked up. The service writer checked the oil, and it was dry. He asked if oil was put in it, and the guy said yes. He then asked where he put it, and the guy pointed to the air filter! And it gets better. The customer said he had this issue with THE FIRST mower he bought, and got Home Depot to replace it.

And this shows that people in general, do the wrong thing sometimes. The Code of Federal Regulations title 49 states that flammable or combustible liquids(I don't quite know which one of these categories oil falls into, but clearly it's one of them) must be shipped in their "primary containers", and that means in the bottle/can, not an engine.


#20

R

Rivets

To my understanding unused motor oil doesn't meet any of the requirements to be classified by the DOT as "hazardous."

Flammable liquids included in Class 3 are included in one of the following packing groups:

* Packing Group I, if they have an initial boiling point of 35ｰC or less at an absolute pressure of 101.3 kPa and any flash point, such as diethyl ether or carbon disulfide;
* Packing Group II, if they have an initial boiling point greater than 35ｰC at an absolute pressure of 101.3 kPa and a flash point less than 23ｰC, such as gasoline (petrol) and acetone; or
* Packing Group III, if the criteria for inclusion in Packing Group I or II are not met, such as kerosene and diesel.


#21

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Brucebotti

Mini Motors said:
And there a few blown engines. Most people know what to do, but... Hilarious story. I'm at my local lawnmower shop getting some parts, and a guy had his brand new walk behind he had bought from Home Depot. It was locked up. The service writer checked the oil, and it was dry. He asked if oil was put in it, and the guy said yes. He then asked where he put it, and the guy pointed to the air filter! And it gets better. The customer said he had this issue with THE FIRST mower he bought, and got Home Depot to replace it.

And this shows that people in general, do the wrong thing sometimes. The Code of Federal Regulations title 49 states that flammable or combustible liquids(I don't quite know which one of these categories oil falls into, but clearly it's one of them) must be shipped in their "primary containers", and that means in the bottle/can, not an engine.
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Mini Motors,
That is a hilarious story, but sad at the same time. Its amazing how many people I see that are so intelligent, yet they should not be allowed near any type of equipment...:laughing:
Bruce


#22

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Mini Motors

According to table 172.101 of title 49, there is no distinction between used and unused. "Petroleum oil" and "Petroleum Crude Oil" are both class 3 hazardous materials.

Now I don't doubt that these machines have shown up at your doorsteps with oil installed. I take you at your word. What I'm saying is that if these truly came across state lines by any carrier, it was done illegally.


#23

B

Brucebotti

Mini Motors said:
According to table 172.101 of title 49, there is no distinction between used and unused. "Petroleum oil" and "Petroleum Crude Oil" are both class 3 hazardous materials.

Now I don't doubt that these machines have shown up at your doorsteps with oil installed. I take you at your word. What I'm saying is that if these truly came across state lines by any carrier, it was done illegally.
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Mini Motors,
This is getting really interesting. FedEx Freight was the carrier that delivered my mower. Having worked there, I know that they would never knowingly violate or "skirt" any laws. I have bought and sold "classic" cars over the years that were delivered in enclosed transporters. Their instructions said to ensure that their was fuel in the car so that they could be loaded and unloaded. They also said that nothing other than paperwork (title, registration, etc) was to be shipped within the vehicle. They were also specific in saying no containers.

Probably have to be a lawyer to interpret the laws:laughing:

Thanks for "educating me,
Bruce


#24

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Mini Motors

I don't doubt that Fedex, UPS, and especially USPS wouldn't allow this, or any other illegal shipment to happen if they knew. And I'll bet cars come under a whole different set of rules. Makes sense that they need to run to get in and out of the trailer, enclosed or not.


#25

R

Rivets

According to this website the USPS has determined that new and used lubricating oils as non-hazardous.

Shipping Requirements - Used Oil Samples Not Considered A Hazardous Waste Shipment


#26

B

Brucebotti

TnHusky said:
,Don't want to sound anal about this but I was talking to the guys at the Co-op and they suggested getting the break in oil out by at least 20 hrs if not sooner. So I bit the bullet and bought 2 qts of Kohler 10w-30 oil. Now I can tell you this, the oil that came out was red colored. Not like I put back in. Also the filter wasn't exactly the same either. The oem one was bigger and had bigger oil holes in it. The one I installed had smaller oil flow holes except one which was bigger. Must have been a universal filter.
Anyway, 2qt's spilled on the floor :ashamed:When drain hose fell off and 2qts in and new filter and also installed a pre filter on the ac, so I'm ready for another 25 hrs or so.

I know dj I said I was going to run Pennzoil but the Kohler Oil seems like it's pretty good stuff so I just stuck with it, for now anyways.
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TnHusky,
Sorry for really helping to get your original post off track. You're probably on your second oil change by now...:laughing:
Bruce


#27

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benski

I've got a first hand story about oil and oil changes, which is completely off topic here, but here it goes. I was driving up a mountain pass on one of the interstate freeways here, and came upon a woman standing beside her 2 year old Suburban, smoking alongside the road. The Suburban was smoking, too, so I took a look. The cooling system was hot, but not leaking, so I checked the oil. There was a small blob of tar stuck to the end of the dipstick. I asked, "When was the last time you changed or checked the oil in this thing?" She replied with a straight face, "Well, it had oil in it when I bought it."


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