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I procrastinated buying the sale priced Toro Timecutter from the Toro site and now they are out of stock with only the California model available at sale price. I am in Texas. Would the California model be harder to work on or not run as well? TIA

The effects of CARB regulations are far-reaching and it means that any engine that uses a combustible fuel (gas, diesel or propane) needs to be CARB certified. This a certificate that ensures that these engines comply with state regulations stipulating the levels of " harmful " gasses that are emitted from the exhaust systems of these engines.

most likely the only thing different is the carburetor might not be adjustable as in you can't change the air fuel mixture. But overall I don't see much difference in Carb VS Non carb

Of course you could also ask the dealer/seller

One of the things CARB addresses is fuel vapors. You are now seeing carbon canister evaporative control systems on commercial mowers and all kinds of goofy tank vents small engines. Gotta love the government. EPA regulates what comes out the muffler and CARB regulates how the gas is stored in the tank. You can thank CARB for the new dumb a$$ gas cans. Washington sucks up to the clown in California.

What I see
California models do not have grease nipples installed.
You are supposed to put one in, grease then replace with a bolt or not to grease at all.
California carbs are leaner
California models have the tank vent into the inlet manifold and have a charcoal filter on the tank air intake.

Yes & it is not legal to tamper with those models or any for that matter.

Todays engines run so lean it is insane. lean = more heat.

It's a shame.

7394 said:

Yes & it is not legal to tamper with those models or any for that matter.

Todays engines run so lean it is insane. lean = more heat.

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And because of that most cheap box store 2 stroke engines self destruct very quickly. Most don't make it past the warranty period, and if they do it is because somebody fixed the problem early in its life. I am not sure about some of the high end products what the long term life will be. 10 years is starting to look like the antique age for most products now.

7394 said:

Yes & it is not legal to tamper with those models or any for that matter.

Todays engines run so lean it is insane. lean = more heat.

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Some guy told me some micro drills off ebay are your friend. Just say'n.?

I figure if the engine isn't running right it is more polluting than one that is tuned correctly. I have both 2 cycle and 4 cycle engines that are out tune straight out of the box.

This is why some dealers have to have the EPA carb tools to even one to run as intended. This will start idea for carbs is a bunch of bull when it comes to meeting EPA requirements. I have put on OEM replacement carbs that would only idle without fine tuning.

BTW Personally know the OEMs can get better fuel economy if they want to. If I can take a 79 Chevy Malibu that got 15 mpg highway mileage with a small V8 and have it getting 22-23 mpg combined (actually got 31 mpg highway) by a few simple parts replacement the OEM can do it is easily. Heck they got the engineers.

Hammermechanicman said:

Some guy told me some micro drills off ebay are your friend. Just say'n.?

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Ahhh, I can neither confirm or deny that statement.