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Hi all;

Brand new to the forum, pleased to meet you all.

I have a Briggs and Stratton Intek V Twin (406777-0128). The governor is shot. Unfortunately, upon cracking the engine open, not only have the governor flanges come off, but the rod is broken as well. Does anyone here know how to get the governor rod out? It seems like the rod is 'press fit' into the block. Online, I see that I can buy the part, but I can't figure out how to remove the broken one. Is there a special tool? Any ideas are appreciated.

Thanks

Greg Frey

It should slide out of the sleeve from the inside. Some have a retainer clip on the outside of the block that has to be removed to slide the shaft inward.

gregfrey said:

Hi all;

Brand new to the forum, pleased to meet you all.

I have a Briggs and Stratton Intek V Twin (406777-0128). The governor is shot. Unfortunately, upon cracking the engine open, not only have the governor flanges come off, but the rod is broken as well. Does anyone here know how to get the governor rod out? It seems like the rod is 'press fit' into the block. Online, I see that I can buy the part, but I can't figure out how to remove the broken one. Is there a special tool? Any ideas are appreciated.

Thanks

Greg Frey

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This Manual may be the help you need ......... keep us updated .......... Boo

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6NaqjIxWV1ySkZjTTA5TGltZEE/edit

Thanks, guys!

Very helpful. I'll report back regarding my progress.

Thanks again,

Greg

Quick question -

The governor disassembly instructions call for a couple special tools: #19165 and #19129. Do you know if they're required to do the job? I hope not, because it appears that tool # 19129 is no longer available.

Thanks

Greg Frey

gregfrey said:

Quick question -

The governor disassembly instructions call for a couple special tools: #19165 and #19129. Do you know if they're required to do the job? I hope not, because it appears that tool # 19129 is no longer available.

Thanks

Greg Frey

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Only required if you are removing and reinstalling the governor shaft bushing which is not required unless damaged, or badly worn. Never have had to replace one, but have done a couple shafts and just used the existing bushing.

IF it did come down to replacing the bushing, it's possible a Briggs servicing shop in your area MIGHT have the special tools and would accommodate you for a nominal fee...

Hi guys,

Quick update. I had a local repair shop open the block. The governor shaft is not broken. A different shaft broke, whose base is embedded in (does not pass thru) the block wall. He tried to heat the aluminum block to get the shaft out, but no luck. I'm considering purchasing a short block.

Thoughts?

Best

Greg Frey

gregfrey said:

Hi guys,

Quick update. I had a local repair shop open the block. The governor shaft is not broken. A different shaft broke, whose base is embedded in (does not pass thru) the block wall. He tried to heat the aluminum block to get the shaft out, but no luck. I'm considering purchasing a short block.

Thoughts?

Best

Greg Frey

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Wow imbedded in the block and cannot get it out ???? Can you post a few pics of this mystery shaft ??

Let us know Mon Ami ~!~!

gregfrey said:

Hi guys,

Quick update. I had a local repair shop open the block. The governor shaft is not broken. A different shaft broke, whose base is embedded in (does not pass thru) the block wall. He tried to heat the aluminum block to get the shaft out, but no luck. I'm considering purchasing a short block.

Thoughts?

Best

Greg Frey

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That is what I suspected in the beginning but your comments and others responses kept me from posting ei. you said you found the part on ebay. See your first post. That part is not replaceable. I do have a good used block I would sell for $20 but shipping will be that much. IF interested, contact me at address below, put in proper format and remind me what you want.

Walt Conner
wconner5 at frontier dot com

Boudreaux In Eunice La. said:

Wow imbedded in the block and cannot get it out ???? Can you post a few pics of this mystery shaft ??

Let us know Mon Ami ~!~!

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Somewhat common occurrence with this engine, shaft (axle) break off or come loose and come out.

Walt Conner

OK Walt.
Now you have me intrigued as well.
What axel ?
could you pop in a part number so I can look it up.
These engines are starting to trickle into the run now days so I would like to be prepared if it is a commonish problem.
I can only see 3 shafts inside the engine.
Camshaft
Governor shaft
Oil pump shaft

When we got to post # 8 & Greg said the workshop found another shaft broken that was embedded in the case but did not pass through the instant thought was a broken cam
And the "beating out" bit was a flogged lower bush hole.
At this point the IPL got downloaded which confirmed it could only be a cam
Is there some thing else in there I missed or Briggs failed to include ?

Either that or the workshop is one of the kind that we all which did not exist.

Bert, I think they are talking about the governor gear shaft that is molded into the block.

ILENGINE said:

Bert, I think they are talking about the governor gear shaft that is molded into the block.

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Right and since it is "not replaceable" there is no part number.

Walt Conner

ILENGINE said:

Bert, I think they are talking about the governor gear shaft that is molded into the block.

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Actually I interpetted it earlier this afternoon and figured it out..... Quote "A different shaft broke, whose base is embedded in (does not pass thru) the block wall. He tried to heat the aluminum block to get the shaft out"

I assume it is the camshaft cause of the base that is embedded in the block, which is where the cam shaft fits into the block.......

So I agree with Bert on the camshaft also.... Only thing it could be........Maybe the cam broke and destroyed the governor... Logical to me ????????

Il Engine thanks for the info on the cables Mon Ami ~!~!

Plus Tard Ya'll..........

I don't see anything about the camshaft and the ones I have had with this problem did not involve the camshaft.

Walt Conner

Tinkerer200 said:

I don't see anything about the camshaft and the ones I have had with this problem did not involve the camshaft.

Walt Conner

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Walt he said in my quote "That a different shaft broke WHOSE BASE is imbedded in the block, but does not pass thru"....

That would mean where the the end of the cam shaft goes into the block......

He also said that the governor shaft is not broke .......

Pictures or a response from him will tell the story.....

Plus Tard Mon Ami ~!~!

"Walt he said in my quote "That a different shaft broke WHOSE BASE is imbedded in the block, but does not pass thru"....

That would mean where the the end of the cam shaft goes into the block...."..

And he took it to a shop where they heated the block trying to remove the broken part and couldn't??

Walt Conner

OK fellas,
Did not want to start WWIII was just curious as Walt mentioned it was not uncommon.
It is a repair I am yet to see here so was milking the forum for more specific information.
Just finished a cam shaft on a 33M and can see why so many of these ACR's end up in the bottom of the sump.
Biggest problem was missing metal.
When I was sure all of the broken pieces were out washed & dried the debris but it was 60 grm lighter than the new one.
Buggered if I could find any more metal so it is back together now, so time will tell.

bertsmobile1 said:

OK fellas,
Did not want to start WWIII was just curious as Walt mentioned it was not uncommon.
It is a repair I am yet to see here so was milking the forum for more specific information.
Just finished a cam shaft on a 33M and can see why so many of these ACR's end up in the bottom of the sump.
Biggest problem was missing metal.
When I was sure all of the broken pieces were out washed & dried the debris but it was 60 grm lighter than the new one.
Buggered if I could find any more metal so it is back together now, so time will tell.

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Yes the newer cams are better quality.... Remember Mr. Vern on here not long ago ???? I shipped him a brand new cam and he noticed it was heavier duty than the old one........

Plus Tard Mon Ami ~!~!

Boudreaux In Eunice La. said:

Yes the newer cams are better quality.... Remember Mr. Vern on here not long ago ???? I shipped him a brand new cam and he noticed it was heavier duty than the old one........

Plus Tard Mon Ami ~!~!

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Well that makes me fell a bit better. or a bit stupid for wasting 3 hours washing , although there obviously was some metal missing ( still is ).
And thanks to Illengine & Walt.
Had a really good look & realized what you are talking about.
So the governor gear rotates on an fixed axel which has a top hat cup on top of it to press against the governor shaft.
I was looking at the parts break down & took the hat ( cup ) to have been the axel.
I can be quite slow on the uptake some times

Boudreaux In Eunice La. said:

Walt he said in my quote "That a different shaft broke WHOSE BASE is imbedded in the block, but does not pass thru"....

That would mean where the the end of the cam shaft goes into the block......

He also said that the governor shaft is not broke .......

Pictures or a response from him will tell the story.....

Plus Tard Mon Ami ~!~!

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Doesn't look like we are going to hear any more from OP. Actually there are 2 shafts involved with the governor. One is the bell crank shaft ***'y some were trying to replace, re-bush etc. in the beginning. The second is what I call the "axle shaft" which is what the governor ***'y runs on. The shaft the OP says is not broken is the first. The one broken is the second which is not repairable, the one he can not get the broken part out of the casting, took to a shop where they tried to heat the block casting to unsuccessfully try to remove the broken part which does not extend thru the block. Still see nothing about a camshaft and a broken camshaft is not generally involved in this, separating governor ***'y is. Broken camshafts are not common with this engine. (Worn cam lobes are) What is there about a broken camshaft that one would get a shop to heat and try to remove from the block?

Walt Conner

Yes Walt you corrected me on that ...........

Dang it I did again. For some reason I was stuck on a 31 to a 33 model........ I was scanning/reading the post to fast again....

I do admit when I do that....... I assumed that the base he was refering to was where the cam fits into the block........

Yes I realize know that's it's the governor ..... Like I said earlier a few pics would be nice ......

Plus Tard All........