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Dec 2, 2012#1

metz12

What kind of bar oil do you guys use? I use lumberjacks bar oil that i got from my dad but i dont think they make it anymore. I have heard of people using old oil from a car when you drain it out from an oil change but i dont really want to run that in my saw unless its really needed. thanks in advance.

Dec 2, 2012#2

Parkmower

Stihl bar oil. It's like $12 a gallon at the dealer. That last quite a while.

Dec 3, 2012#3

M

MBTRAC

Any dedicated bar oil is fine if made by a reputable oil company, as are the "branded" bar oils like Stihl, Husqvarna ....etc - you can also run hydraulic oil if it's cheaper to access.

If you're cutting lot's of timber & bar oil seems too expensive, it's also ok to run a c.70% bar oil/c.30% any engine/gear waste oil ( provided you filter/screen the waste oil first to remove any major contamination - a couple of layers of a fine cotton cloth/old t shirt ..etc will work ok as the filtering medium) - others may have a different view, but this is what we have been using for c.35yrs + in commercial logging/farming operations without any adverse impact on the durability of the saw oil pump or chain longevity.

Dec 3, 2012#4

okiepc

Ace hardware makes a very good and inexpensive bar oil, for less than half the price of Stihl brand, I have used it for years & it seems to work well. :thumbsup:

Dec 3, 2012#5

metz12

okiepc said:
Ace hardware makes a very good and inexpensive bar oil, for less than half the price of Stihl brand, I have used it for years & it seems to work well. :thumbsup:

Does the ace bar oil come in a gallon bottle that you know of?

Dec 3, 2012#6

okiepc

metz12 said:
Does the ace bar oil come in a gallon bottle that you know of?

I am not sure about the gallon but I will check :thumbsup:

Dec 3, 2012#7

okiepc

metz12 said:
Does the ace bar oil come in a gallon bottle that you know of?

Yes it does come in a gallon & it looks like about $12.99 per gallon around here. I got in a bind the other day and bought a quart of Stihl for $5.99, that sucked.

Dec 3, 2012#8

metz12

okiepc said:
Yes it does come in a gallon & it looks like about $12.99 per gallon around here. I got in a bind the other day and bought a quart of Stihl for $5.99, that sucked.

hahaha ya ive been there, the battery in my mower died and i had no way to charge it because i rode my mower to the job i was doing so i couldnt jump it. and it was during the summer so all the people were working around the neighborhood so i had to go to autozone and buy a duralast battery that are sucky and i had to pay like 15bucks more than a good everstart battery at walmart! but anyways thanks for checking for me on the bar oil.

Dec 3, 2012#9

Carscw

metz12 said:
hahaha ya ive been there, the battery in my mower died and i had no way to charge it because i rode my mower to the job i was doing so i couldnt jump it. and it was during the summer so all the people were working around the neighborhood so i had to go to autozone and buy a duralast battery that are sucky and i had to pay like 15bucks more than a good everstart battery at walmart! but anyways thanks for checking for me on the bar oil.

You do know that everstart is I low brand and duralast is I higher brand and I am thinking the duralast has more cca

Duralast is what NASCAR runs and some run a sears diehard

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Dec 3, 2012#10

metz12

Carscw said:
You do know that everstart is I low brand and duralast is I higher brand and I am thinking the duralast has more cca

Duralast is what NASCAR runs and some run a sears diehard

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duralast batteries are really bad. anything electrical from autozone is bad. everstart batteries stay charged and charge faster than duralast. interstate batteries are the best though. then diehard.

Dec 3, 2012#11

Carscw

Ok if you say so.

I am glad all you kids are on here to teach us old guys how wrong we have been for 50 years.

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Dec 3, 2012#12

metz12

Carscw said:
Ok if you say so.

I am glad all you kids are on here to teach us old guys how wrong we have been for 50 years.

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Well gee thanks mister! Im glad that you think we are so helpful too you!

Dec 3, 2012#13

Ric

metz12 said:
duralast batteries are really bad. anything electrical from autozone is bad. everstart batteries stay charged and charge faster than duralast. interstate batteries are the best though. then diehard.

I agree the Everstart are real good batteries and the Interstate are the best that I've used.

Dec 3, 2012#14

R

Rivets

We may be old and have a few things to learn, but if you ever need some one to fix your unit when the parts are NLA don't ask us for help. Metz, when you grow up and start listening to those of us who have been around the block more than once, you can start making sarcastic remarks. We probably don't know everything, but I'll bet we knowva lot more than you give us credit for. A wise man once said, " before you say someone is wrong, make sure you are right". I'm sorry, I forgot we were talking about batteries. Who makes a sulfated battery? Interstate, Diehard, Everlast, or AutoZone?

Dec 3, 2012#15

Ric

metz12 said:
Well gee thanks mister! Im glad that you think we are so helpful too you!

Hey Metz in your avatar are both those tractors Craftsman or is the red one different.

Dec 4, 2012#16

midnite rider

Ric said:
Hey Metz in your avatar are both those tractors Craftsman or is the red one different.

I believe he had mentioned earlier the red one is a Yard Machines.

Dec 4, 2012#17

Ric

Rivets said:
We may be old and have a few things to learn, but if you ever need some one to fix your unit when the parts are NLA don't ask us for help. Metz, when you grow up and start listening to those of us who have been around the block more than once, you can start making sarcastic remarks. We probably don't know everything, but I'll bet we knowva lot more than you give us credit for. A wise man once said, " before you say someone is wrong, make sure you are right". I'm sorry, I forgot we were talking about batteries. Who makes a sulfated battery? Interstate, Diehard, Everlast, or AutoZone?

A wise man once said, " before you say someone is wrong, make sure you are right" Great saying I like that, it's cool, (really) but how do you say that someone is right and someone is wrong when this thread should be and is based on opinion which everyone would have?

Dec 4, 2012#18

metz12

Ric said:
Hey Metz in your avatar are both those tractors Craftsman or is the red one different.

Midnight Rider is correct. Its is a yard machines. its a 36" cut, with a briggs 12.5hp engine in it. I love it. some may say that yard machines are great quality but in my eyes its not a bad mower at all. Also its really fun to ride around on because it goes alot faster than alot of stock mowers out there! :laughing::laughing: Also the bagger is a cool attachment too. its easier then raking leaves onto a tarp and dragging them:thumbsup:

Dec 4, 2012#19

metz12

metz12 said:
Midnight Rider is correct. Its is a yard machines. its a 36" cut, with a briggs 12.5hp engine in it. I love it. some may say that yard machines are great quality but in my eyes its not a bad mower at all. Also its really fun to ride around on because it goes alot faster than alot of stock mowers out there! :laughing::laughing: Also the bagger is a cool attachment too. its easier then raking leaves onto a tarp and dragging them:thumbsup:

Sorry i meant or not great quality in the 3rd sentence.

Dec 4, 2012#20

lawn mower fanatic

metz12 said:
Midnight Rider is correct. Its is a yard machines. its a 36" cut, with a briggs 12.5hp engine in it. I love it. some may say that yard machines are great quality but in my eyes its not a bad mower at all. Also its really fun to ride around on because it goes alot faster than alot of stock mowers out there! :laughing::laughing: Also the bagger is a cool attachment too. its easier then raking leaves onto a tarp and dragging them:thumbsup:

The people who say the mower is bad quality probably use more than it's made to take. The crappiest mower will last if you only use it once a week for a little bit of land.

Dec 4, 2012#21

metz12

lawn mower fanatic said:
The people who say the mower is bad quality probably use more than it's made to take. The crappiest mower will last if you only use it once a week for a little bit of land.

very true. or they dont do the scheduled maintenance on it. Like checking belts, changing oil, cleaning the mower deck after mowing. stuff like that.

Dec 4, 2012#22

lawn mower fanatic

metz12 said:
very true. or they dont do the scheduled maintenance on it. Like checking belts, changing oil, cleaning the mower deck after mowing. stuff like that.

Oh yeah, definitely that also!

Dec 4, 2012#23

Ric

I've always said I don't care what type of mower you have, if you take care of it with a proper maintenance schedule it will take care of you. :thumbsup:

Dec 4, 2012#24

lawn mower fanatic

Ric said:
I've always said I don't care what type of mower you, if you take care of it with a proper maintenance schedule it will take care of you. :thumbsup:

Yes! I totally agree! :thumbsup: And it's a catchy saying! :laughing:

Dec 4, 2012#25

jakewells

i use itasca bar oil in a green bottle from the local owned parts house it's good oil only cost 11.99

Dec 4, 2012#26

metz12

So very true. and nice phrase!

Dec 4, 2012#27

Carscw

metz12 said:
Midnight Rider is correct. Its is a yard machines. its a 36" cut, with a briggs 12.5hp engine in it. I love it. some may say that yard machines are great quality but in my eyes its not a bad mower at all. Also its really fun to ride around on because it goes alot faster than alot of stock mowers out there! :laughing::laughing: Also the bagger is a cool attachment too. its easier then raking leaves onto a tarp and dragging them:thumbsup:

I have found that most MTD riding mowers are the best for cutting tall thick grass (weeds) or once it is over a foot tall is called hay.

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Dec 4, 2012#28

Ric

midnite rider said:
I believe he had mentioned earlier the red one is a Yard Machines.

I wasn't sure what it was, the Yard Machine is a good mower for the money. When I started my business I started with a Cub Cadet 1045 46" and a Honda 21" but I sure found out after a while why everyone was using ZTR mowers.

Dec 4, 2012#29

Ric

Has anybody used the Echo Bar Oil, it's like 7.99 a Qt.

Dec 4, 2012#30

jakewells

Ric said:
Has anybody used the Echo Bar Oil, it's like 7.99 a Qt.

same as any other bar oil the brand is what makes it expensive oil.

Dec 5, 2012#31

metz12

I have never really used a zero turn but i would think it was fun! i dont like the look of the cuts though. i think the riding mower/garden tractor looks really nice.

Dec 5, 2012#32

Ric

metz12 said:
I have never really used a zero turn but i would think it was fun! i don't like the look of the cuts though. i think the riding mower/garden tractor looks really nice.

What is it that you don't like about the ZTR cut? What makes you think it's cut isn't equal to or better than the riding mower/garden tractor ?

Dec 5, 2012#33

lawn mower fanatic

Ric said:
What is it that you don't like about the ZTR cut? What makes you think it's cut isn't equal to or better than the riding mower/garden tractor ?

Really, there is no difference in the cut I would think. They are like the same kind of mower, except one can turn sharper. They both can have the same number of blades.

Dec 5, 2012#34

metz12

Ric said:
What is it that you don't like about the ZTR cut? What makes you think it's cut isn't equal to or better than the riding mower/garden tractor ?

I think its just how when one uses a tractor its in a circular pattern and when the zero turn its the straight lines. its kind of hard to explain. I think its how the wheels hit the grass.

Dec 5, 2012#35

lawn mower fanatic

metz12 said:
I think its just how when one uses a tractor its in a circular pattern and when the zero turn its the straight lines. its kind of hard to explain. I think its how the wheels hit the grass.

That's what I LIKE about ZTR's....the straight lawn stripes look awesome! Similar to this: http://www.lawnmowerforum.com/members/jparisan-albums-lawns.html. (JParisan)

Dec 5, 2012#36

metz12

lawn mower fanatic said:
That's what I LIKE about ZTR's....the straight lawn stripes look awesome! Similar to this: http://www.lawnmowerforum.com/members/jparisan-albums-lawns.html. (JParisan)

Well when you have a striper on there! do they have stripers for riding mowers?

Dec 5, 2012#37

lawn mower fanatic

metz12 said:
Well when you have a striper on there! do they have stripers for riding mowers?

You can get lawn stripers for almost any kind of mower....or make your own. :thumbsup: They are expensive to buy, though. I wanted one for my 21 in. mower and it was $60-100!! :shocked:

Dec 5, 2012#38

metz12

lawn mower fanatic said:
You can get lawn stripers for almost any kind of mower....or make your own. :thumbsup: They are expensive to buy, though. I wanted one for my 21 in. mower and it was $60-100!! :shocked:

What is it just like a brush off of a push broom basically?

Dec 5, 2012#39

lawn mower fanatic

metz12 said:
What is it just like a brush off of a push broom basically?

Some are brushes, some are rollers. See 4 pictures:

Brush:

(http://www.weekendfreedommachines.com/discus/messages/17/203185.jpg)

Roller:

(http://www.scag.com/images/striper-kit05.jpg)

Chain:

(http://users.tellurian.net/tom/lawn/lawnstriping.jpg)

Flap:

(http://www.mowersdirect.com/product-images/SnapLawnStripe_500.jpg)

Dec 5, 2012#40

lawn mower fanatic

Here is a homemade roller you can make for a push mower.

(video by LawnCareMidwest)

Dec 5, 2012#41

metz12

lawn mower fanatic said:
Here is a homemade roller you can make for a push mower.

(video by LawnCareMidwest)

Huh, i guess i will rig up one for my push mower since its so easy!i have some of that piping just laying around in my shed! you should do that to yours fanatic!

Dec 5, 2012#42

lawn mower fanatic

metz12 said:
Huh, i guess i will rig up one for my push mower since its so easy!i have some of that piping just laying around in my shed! you should do that to yours fanatic!

I know, I really should. I was hesitant just because 1. The pipe is close to the blades, and 2. It has to be putting some stress on the debris guard!
I do want to make one, though! :licking:

Dec 5, 2012#43

metz12

lawn mower fanatic said:
I know, I really should. I was hesitant just because 1. The pipe is close to the blades, and 2. It has to be putting some stress on the debris guard!
I do want to make one, though! :licking:

The debris guard will be fine man! i dont think it will cause damage since its not hanging on the hinges. the guard sits on the ground so i think it will be fine. what kind of striper do you have on there now?

Dec 5, 2012#44

lawn mower fanatic

metz12 said:
The debris guard will be fine man! i dont think it will cause damage since its not hanging on the hinges. the guard sits on the ground so i think it will be fine. what kind of striper do you have on there now?

I don't have any stripers/rollers on their now. My Honda stripes pretty well without one, but I want to improve it.

Dec 5, 2012#45

lawn mower fanatic

I tried one a little bit ago, but it bounced to much (it was just something I made in like 10 mins). It needs to be a lot heavier and maybe a larger pipe (this is just a PVC pipe :thumbdown

. http://www.lawnmowerforum.com/comme...11799-i-made-myself-lawn-striping-roller.html

Dec 5, 2012#46

metz12

lawn mower fanatic said:
I don't have any stripers/rollers on their now. My Honda stripes pretty well without one, but I want to improve it.

wow. i thought you had something rigged on there without me seeing it! it does do a pretty nice job without any kind of striper.

Dec 5, 2012#47

lawn mower fanatic

metz12 said:
wow. i thought you had something rigged on there without me seeing it! it does do a pretty nice job without any kind of striper.

Yeah, I think it does, too!

Dec 5, 2012#48

metz12

Go big or go home my friend!!
i think it didnt work because it was to far away from the mower and the bungee chords arnt sturdy you know?

Dec 5, 2012#49

lawn mower fanatic

metz12 said:
Go big or go home my friend!!
i think it didnt work because it was to far away from the mower and the bungee chords arnt sturdy you know?

Oh yeah that's true...it probably needs to be a stiff arm that can't move. Good idea! :thumbsup:

Dec 5, 2012#50

metz12

lawn mower fanatic said:
Oh yeah that's true...it probably needs to be a stiff arm that can't move. Good idea! :thumbsup:

I would make one and put it on but i have no way to test it! theres no grass to mow!

Dec 5, 2012#51

lawn mower fanatic

metz12 said:
I would make one and put it on but i have no way to test it! theres no grass to mow!

Yeah I know! I actually might have 1-3 more to do this weekend or something. It has been a below-average (temperature) November, but warmer than usual in December!

Dec 5, 2012#52

metz12

lawn mower fanatic said:
Yeah I know! I actually might have 1-3 more to do this weekend or something. It has been a below-average (temperature) November, but warmer than usual in December!

It was about 50ish degrees today here in southern RI. Whats the temps where you live?

Dec 5, 2012#53

lawn mower fanatic

metz12 said:
It was about 50ish degrees today here in southern RI. Whats the temps where you live?

It got up to 69 degrees yesterday, and 68 the day before. This week it will be in the upper 40's or lower 50's, but kind of unsettled as we go into next week. :frown: It gets colder as we go into next week, though. You could always just attach it to your mower and go around the yard seeing if it bounces or not, because if it is heavy enough it will probably stripe!

Dec 5, 2012#54

metz12

lawn mower fanatic said:
It got up to 69 degrees yesterday, and 68 the day before. This week it will be in the upper 40's or lower 50's, but kind of unsettled as we go into next week. :frown: It gets colder as we go into next week, though. You could always just attach it to your mower and go around the yard seeing if it bounces or not, because if it is heavy enough it will probably stripe!

very true. going to try this probably tomorrow hahaha. ill try to post pictures. ill do it like that guy in the video.

Dec 5, 2012#55

lawn mower fanatic

metz12 said:
very true. going to try this probably tomorrow hahaha. ill try to post pictures. ill do it like that guy in the video.

Good! I can't wait to see them!! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Dec 13, 2012#56

G

Giles

If used oil from an automobile was good enough for the last few miles in the vehicle, it is certinally capable of lubricating a chain and bar:thumbsup:
However, I don't use a lot of bar oil so I buy the cheapest I can find.
Remember ----- bar oil will "stick" to the chain and bar much better then regular oil.

Dec 14, 2012#57

pugaltitude

Giles said:
If used oil from an automobile was good enough for the last few miles in the vehicle, it is certinally capable of lubricating a chain and bar:thumbsup:
However, I don't use a lot of bar oil so I buy the cheapest I can find.
Remember ----- bar oil will "stick" to the chain and bar much better then regular oil.

Never use old engine oil on a bar and chain.
Not that it wont lubricate but because of Carcinogen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Also better using vegetable oil.
Use deep fat frier oil. Take out all the food bits and you have perfect bar and chain oil.

Dec 14, 2012#58

Parkmower

pugaltitude said:
Also better using vegetable oil.
Use deep fat frier oil. Take out all the food bits and you have perfect bar and chain oil.

Around here used fryer oil is in demand. All the bio diesels snatch it up

Jan 4, 2013#59

Kodie's Lawn Service

metz12 said:
What kind of bar oil do you guys use? I use lumberjacks bar oil that i got from my dad but i dont think they make it anymore. I have heard of people using old oil from a car when you drain it out from an oil change but i dont really want to run that in my saw unless its really needed. thanks in advance.

It is called save a chain bar oil very good almost better then sthil oil and run through well :thumbsup::thumbsup::cool2::cool2::cool2:

Jan 9, 2013#60

jekjr

I bought a gallon of Wal-mart oil this week for less than $9. It works fine.

Jan 10, 2013#61

Kodie's Lawn Service

jekjr said:
I bought a gallon of Wal-mart oil this week for less than $9. It works fine.

I have used this if it is like 30 out then it runs to thick in the saw and Does not the oil chain l do like it spring summer and fall but not winter

Jan 10, 2013#62

reynoldston

Not that it wont lubricate but because of Carcinogen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

I just don't understand this statement? They are lubricating a chainsaw blade. They aren't drinking it or putting any on their body's. Maybe you are saying they are polluting the land? Would this be any different then using any bar oil? Yes never really though of it but if you use a gallon of bar or any bar lube you are putting a gallon of oil into your woods land. The last woods I had clear cut the machine that sawed the trees down broke a hydraulic line and think they most of sprayed out 50 gallons of oil that time.

Jan 10, 2013#63

Kodie's Lawn Service

reynoldston said:
Not that it wont lubricate but because of Carcinogen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

I just don't understand this statement? They are lubricating a chainsaw blade. They aren't drinking it or putting any on their body's. Maybe you are saying they are polluting the land? Would this be any different then using any bar oil? Yes never really though of it but if you use a gallon of bar or any bar lube you are putting a gallon of oil into your woods land. The last woods I had clear cut the machine that sawed the trees down broke a hydraulic line and think they most of sprayed out 50 gallons of oil that time.

It does do its job saves the chain a while but Oil comes out of the ground using a chain saw is just putting it back in :thumbsup:

Jan 10, 2013#64

pugaltitude

They are lubricating a chainsaw blade. They aren't drinking it or putting any on their body's.

Thats exactly what happens.

A test was done years ago which had dye in the oil to see what happens when in operation.
An ultra violet light was used to see what was happening.
When the chain moves on the guidebar, the oil turns into a fine mist that you cant see but the light did.
This mist is all around you not just near the saw. So basically you are breathing in polluted air.
Its better for you smoking 100 cigarettes than breathing in used engine oil which causes cancer.
Bio oil is not only better for the enviroment but better for your body.

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