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B and S MST

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Mark 2020

I saw a link in a response for head bolt torque that was extremely in depth(170 page MST manual on L heads), is that material available to anybody? Or is that a paid for platform?



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Mark 2020

This is a example and I've tried the mymowerparts site and couldn't find it.

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mechanic mark

Post & copy model xxxxxx, type xxxx, trim xx & code xxxxxx numbers from your engine then click on Rivets Post above filling in your numbers which will take you to Operators Manual & Illustrated Parts Breakdown.


#5

StarTech

StarTech

I know at least one website that has the Briggs service manuals but they are for members only; otherwise, they are for sale on many sites.


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Mark 2020

Ok I give up. It's a 14D932-0110-F1 and I'm trying to find the head bolt torque. I've seen everything from 140 to 220. If you figure it out please show your source if possible cause I want to know what I was looking up wrong. Thanks in advance.


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ILENGINE

Mark the torque is 210 lb/in straight from the dealer model lookup site.


#8

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Mark 2020

Mark the torque is 210 lb/in straight from the dealer model lookup site.
Good deal, does the dealer model lookup site show more than just the operators manual on the Briggs site?


#9

Hammermechanicman

Hammermechanicman


L head manual

Google around enough you will find most all the Briggs manuals online.


#10

Hammermechanicman

Hammermechanicman



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bertsmobile1

The actual numerical value of the head bolts is nowhere near as critical as you are thinking it is
What is critical is they are all the same so there is no weak spot for the gasket to blow at .
The variation will depend upon things like old or new bolts and wet or dry threads .
Also some L heads are iron barrels with iron heads while others are alloy for both and some are iron barrels with alloy heads.
Then there is the gasket material when it changed so did the head bolt torque
Because the compression ratio is quite low in all side valve engines they do not need to be all that tight
Unless you have done a lot of porting & extensive head work you are restricted to around 7:1 max and most B & S engines barely make 6:1
Because the numbers are in inch pounds , not the usual foot pounds the torque range seem huge
Divide by 12 to make it ft lbs the you are looking at approx 11.5 to 18.5 or 15 +/- 4

Unless you are using military / areospace certified tooling, most deflecting bar torque wrenches are marked in 5 ft lb incriments so the implied accuracy is 2.5 ft lbs ( 1/2 the graduations )
Vernier style torque wrenches all use springs so they will rarely be accurate to within 10% regardless of the fact they have divisions as low as 0.5 ft lb on the scale .

back in the day when your engine was made it was finger tight ( fully seated ) then 2 x 1/4 turns for coarse threads or 3 x 1/4 turns for fine threads.


#12

Hammermechanicman

Hammermechanicman

Back in the 5hp briggs go cart days people thought we helicoiled the aluminum blocks for strength because of so much compression. Bert is right. L head engines might make 8:1 on a good day with engine mods. We did it because we took the heads off a lot to clean, check guide slop and lap valves often. We would reuse the old style head gaskets a half dozen times.


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Mark 2020

Thanks everyone for the awesome responses. How do you come up with the model series number from the engine number(14D932-0110)? I come up with a 140000 series 223cc which doesn't show on any of these charts.


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ILENGINE

Good deal, does the dealer model lookup site show more than just the operators manual on the Briggs site?
Mark the dealer site allows us to look up common specs using the full model, type, and code, and in some cases we can input the actual engine serial number. We get bore and stroke, replacement engine if available, common torque specs, service manual, parts diagrams, owners manual, common part numbers, crankshaft part number and dimension, length, and diameter. That is what is listed under model search. We also have access to service manuals, service and parts bulletins, and dealer training. But some of the information that we have access to is proprietary and cannot be shared with the general public.


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ILENGINE

Thanks everyone for the awesome responses. How do you come up with the model series number from the engine number(14D932-0110)? I come up with a 140000 series 223cc which doesn't show on any of these charts.
That engine would be considered a 140000 series but those charted are not completely updated and have missing information and incorrect information if things have been updated.


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Mark 2020

Thanks for clarifying that, I thought I was just missing something simple. You guys are all great at your craft and I appreciate y'alls willingness to help the far less experienced.


#17

StarTech

StarTech

Briggs has been quite lazy about keeping service manuals and other documents up to date. This why having Power Portal and experience is beneficial. It is also why we need model, spec (type) numbers, and even sometimes the date code of the engines so we can research them. So far in just the last year Briggs only released one new service manual and it covers the 12V300 series Vanguard engine and they have never updated any of the older service manuals. At least they got someone updating the Power Portal better than in the past.

This not updating info can be a problem when we give current info vs what is out there on the web.

Now (with) the OP engine info we can see it is an OHV engine instead of a L-head engine which requires a different SM.


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Mark 2020

When I initially googled the B&S head bolt torque chart that's when I saw the example from mymowerparts.com that was so detailed and was wondering if that was available to the masses on all types of motors. The L head was a response to a guys question on another Q&A. I really appreciate everybody's prompt responses. Happy Holidays


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ILENGINE

Mark there was a period that the chart that was supplied to the dealers would be several years old, with old data that may of been updated to a different torque. Or new engines that would come out that wasn't on the chart. We would have to look for the APSI or advanced product service information to get the specs and torques for engines that wasn't included on the chart or the service manuals.

And if worse case scenarios would have to contact dealer tech support and they would have to contact the factory to get the information that we needed.


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Coleevans321

I saw a link in a response for head bolt torque that was extremely in depth(170 page MST manual on L heads), is that material available to anybody? Or is that a paid for platform?
I am b&s mst. New to the sight. I can access all files. Let me know model type and code and I can find out anything you need to know


#21

Hammermechanicman

Hammermechanicman

Just turn it till your elbow clicks.


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ILENGINE

Hammer the last bolt I put a torque wrench on about made every bone in my body click. Torque was 290 lb/ft


#23

Hammermechanicman

Hammermechanicman

Ya need a torque amplifier aka a piece a pipe.


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ILENGINE

Hammer required a torch to heat the part to release the locktite, and a 4 foot breaking bar to take it apart.


#25

Scrubcadet10

Scrubcadet10

Just turn it till your elbow clicks.
Helps to hold your tongue in the right spot too


#26

Hammermechanicman

Hammermechanicman


Eveyone needs one of these for small engine work.


#27

StarTech

StarTech

Actually this one would a better choice as it a few inches longer and has a higher max torque range.

Neiko Pro 03710B 3/4 100-700 48" long handle

And I actually need one as I need to torque some nuts beyond 300 ft-lbs here.


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ILENGINE

Not a bad price for what it is. You get much above 150-200 lb/ft and they get pricy.


#29

StarTech

StarTech

Not a bad price for what it is. You get much above 150-200 lb/ft and they get pricy.


#30

Hammermechanicman

Hammermechanicman

My next door neighbor is my wife's cousin and a farmer with the big toys so if i need something over 2.5 inches i go see him. He's got one of those big torque wrenches


#31

StarTech

StarTech

Yes they do . I paid nearly $100 for the 300 ft-lb I got to only find an ATV needing 350 ft-lbs. I got lucky enough to borrow one at the time. I had to get someone to sit on the machine while torque the nut as I was picking the whole body without the extra weight.

The larger one is on my shopping list just not this year at the present time. Right now I am looking at a 44" top box to match the lower cabinet. It just that HFT only put on sale one time in the last year and then they didn't have any in stock and the rain check expired before they decide to get any in. I think it was another one of their cons.


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