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Due to the religious propaganda by Chosen, I have determined one of two things need to happen. Either the religious statements can cease or my name can be struck from the membership roster. Please notify me of your decision soon.

Thank you
SandburRanch

its not hurting a thing its just a quote

SandburRanch said:

Due to the religious propaganda by Chosen, I have determined one of two things need to happen. Either the religious statements can cease or my name can be struck from the membership roster. Please notify me of your decision soon.

Thank you
SandburRanch

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I agree 100% this is not the place for it.

(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

that may be true but im sure there are people here that dont like racing either but no one says anything about your quote no one is preaching no one is asking everyone go to church its just a quote that he happens to live by and no one is asking you to live by it

If anyone does not like my signature I will be more than happy to change it.

(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

SandburRanch said:

Due to the religious propaganda by Chosen, I have determined one of two things need to happen. Either the religious statements can cease or my name can be struck from the membership roster. Please notify me of your decision soon.

Thank you
SandburRanch

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What seems to be the problem? The Christ is coming soon. Are you ready quote or Signature??

Unbelievable

I'm an atheist. I don't mind the Jesus is coming signature. Everybody is entitled to there signature. It's America!!! Just don't post or comment about Jesus and all shall be well.
Wonder what Muslim Mohammed thinks?!?!? Haha!!!! He is in charge of this site?

Freedom of speech? If somebody has a "Jesus is coming" bumper sticker, do you stop driving to avoid seeing it?

I'm inclined to administer the forum along the lines of what the majority of the membership wants. If that includes a ban on some content, then so be it. But I can tell you that it's a can of worms that will never get closed.

AmericanTurf said:

I'm an atheist. I don't mind the Jesus is coming signature. Everybody is entitled to there signature. It's America!!! Just don't post or comment about Jesus and all shall be well.
Wonder what Muslim Mohammed thinks?!?!? Haha!!!! He is in charge of this site?

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As near as I can tell the individual hasn't broken any forum rules that I can find and as you say everybody is entitled to there signature. As scott47429 said he's not preaching, no one is asking everyone go to church, its just a quote that he happens to live by and he is not asking anyone else to live by it so personally I don't see a problem.

This is the United States of America, and if my recollection of history taught to me in grade school is correct, a couple of the foundations of this country were set upon freedom of speech and freedom of religion. While I may never intend to put anything of that sort in my own signature, I do respect the member who has for his devotion to his beliefs and applaud his strength in sharing them with the world, and I will defend his right to do so.

Jesus is coming. Do you have the balls to be ready?

Muhammad said:

Freedom of speech? If somebody has a "Jesus is coming" bumper sticker, do you stop driving to avoid seeing it?

I'm inclined to administer the forum along the lines of what the majority of the membership wants. If that includes a ban on some content, then so be it. But I can tell you that it's a can of worms that will never get closed.

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I see you omitted a very important part of the phrase " are you ready"?
Try putting the complete phrase on the bumper.

To me this is saying Chosen thinks he is ready and it may be questionable, for anyone reading that statement, if they are as ready as he is. So if you aren't following his religious beliefs you probably aren't ready and never will be.

This is all I have to say on the subject. The decision concerning my original post is yours and I would appreciate a public notification on the forum one way or the other.

SandburRanch

Carscw said:

I agree 100% this is not the place for it.

(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

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Also agree, This is a "LawnMower" location...
I personally do not care to see folks inject religion, politics or any other sanctimonious nonsense in my day.
I had been a bit put out with the inclusion of a religious reference on our currency, until it was pointed out that it was actually a facetious remark, as demonstrated over & over by our Federal Reserve.
That and other religious phrases are generally used to separate people rather than to unite them. So any timee they can be reduced I'm in favor...
It's like most other things that people often 'claim' to believe in, If you feel a need to repeat it over & over, you are likely trying to convince yourself.
Now if something included is meant to be humorous or funny... Not a Problem. But even that might become offensive to some, so again, leaving religion and political ideologies OUT of these Forums is probably the Best... :smile:KennyV

KennyV said:

Also agree, This is a "LawnMower" location...
I personally do not care to see folks inject religion, politics or any other sanctimonious nonsense in my day.
I had been a bit put out with the inclusion of a religious reference on our currency, until it was pointed out that it was actually a facetious remark, as demonstrated over & over by our Federal Reserve.
That and other religious phrases are generally used to separate people rather than to unite them. So any timee they can be reduced I'm in favor...
It's like most other things that people often 'claim' to believe in, If you feel a need to repeat it over & over, you are likely trying to convince yourself.
Now if something included is meant to be humorous or funny... Not a Problem. But even that might become offensive to some, so again, leaving religion and political ideologies OUT of these Forums is probably the Best... :smile:KennyV

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I think you may need to take a look at Muhammad's post again because it's like he said you're going to open a can of worms that will never get closed. This forum and the Administration has been a pretty lenient for the the most part on things considered infringing or offensive, obscene or unacceptable and it's practice of editing it's material. To me it would be a shame to throw it and its atmosphere all away because of a couple of members that don't like a religious quote that as Muhammad says you see everyday on someones bumper driving down the road.

As I said before as near as I can tell the individual hasn't broken any forum rules that I know of and is entitled to there signature, but if you and a few others want the editing practices to take place I'm sure that Muhammad can accommodate you but keep in mind that this forum could become very uncomfortable as well as unpopular place for the other 22000 plus members it can effect.

The United States of the offended. Good Grief

Is our society becoming too PC? :confused2: I don't think anyone was trying to offend anyone, just stating what on their mind. Freedom of speech is a great thing.:thumbsup:

Muhammad said:

Freedom of speech? If somebody has a "Jesus is coming" bumper sticker, do you stop driving to avoid seeing it?

I'm inclined to administer the forum along the lines of what the majority of the membership wants. If that includes a ban on some content, then so be it. But I can tell you that it's a can of worms that will never get closed.

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Please remove me from the membership. I don't think this is the place for me.

Let's put it to a vote. http://www.lawnmowerforum.com/site-discussion/15030-should-we-ban-censor-all-religious-content.html

Muhammad said:

Let's put it to a vote. http://www.lawnmowerforum.com/site-discussion/15030-should-we-ban-censor-all-religious-content.html

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I think the vote is a good thing but I have a Question, If you start Banning or censoring all religious content, what will be next. I hope it doesn't create a slippery slope as they say in Washington and evolve into something else that some want too whine about.

Thing is, we are here on this site to learn or to help others with problems & sometimes just for fun, we should not let the small stuff bother us as we are a mix of people from all over the place. Some may think my signature is offensive though it is just humor to me, if we let this problem bother us we as individuals have but a couple of choices. Lets keep this site fun and valuable & be friends. :2cents: I belong to several forums, some for many years, but I consider this my favorite because of the friendly helpful people who take time out of their lives to help others for no monetary gain what so ever.

okiepc said:

Thing is, we are here on this site to learn or to help others with problems & sometimes just for fun, we should not let the small stuff bother us as we are a mix of people from all over the place. Some may think my signature is offensive though it is just humor to me, if we let this problem bother us we as individuals have but a couple of choices. Lets keep this site fun and valuable & be friends. :2cents: I belong to several forums, some for many years, but I consider this my favorite because of the friendly helpful people who take time out of their lives to help others for no monetary gain what so ever.

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:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Ric said:

I think you may need to take a look at Muhammad's post again ...
... but if you and a few others want the editing practices to take place I'm sure that Muhammad can accommodate you but keep in mind that this forum could become very uncomfortable as well as unpopular place for the other 220000 plus members it can effect.

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Perhaps You should take a look at My post again... I think most folks 'got' what I said.

All forums are edited to some degree. For the most part the members of this forum are very civil, there are No "cry babies" that come to mind... and by not allowing any individual the opportunity to bring the discussions to a halt, is Good.

BY the way: Some day we may have 220000 plus members... (and most of them will always get along). But as of now we have:Lawn Mower Forum Statistics
Threads 13,659 Posts 100,207 Members 23,440 Active Members 5,843
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KennyV said:

Perhaps You should take a look at My post again... I think most folks 'got' what I said.

All forums are edited to some degree. For the most part the members of this forum are very civil, there are No "cry babies" that come to mind... and by not allowing any individual the opportunity to bring the discussions to a halt, is Good.

BY the way: Some day we may have 220000 plus members... (and most of them will always get along). But as of now we have:Lawn Mower Forum Statistics
Threads 13,659 Posts 100,207 Members 23,440 Active Members 5,843
:smile:KennyV

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Sorry I added one to many zeros, not really use to this key board it sure isn't my Lap Top. As far as the forum statistics go there are actually 22508 members although the forum statistic's don't reflect it.

Here's another quote for this thread:


"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. "

bwdbrn1 said:

Here's another quote for this thread:


"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. "

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You hit the nail on the head with that quote. How true it is. :thumbsup:
If someone adds their feelings, beliefs or ideas in addition to the forums pertinent subject matter they were addressing I have no problem with that. Other than demeaning,evil or vulgar subjects I say let it go. If you ban one thing what is next? I feel secure enough with my beliefs and ideas that other people expressing their's does not upset me. If you feel so strongly that you are upset with what someone expresses or believes why not engage in a friendly debate. Maybe you may not be able to do this though if you are insecure in your own beliefs or ideas. However you feel, the mentality of taking your toys and going home as an alternative is silly at best. That only denies you from participating in the free flow and exchange of information and knowledge from this forum. Just my :2cents:

By the way this forum is authoritarian, whatever the administrator decides is the policy we participate by. :ban:

I guess the voting is about over and I Guess the No vote has it or at least it appears that way, which means we will be allowing members to have there religious quotes and references in there signature files and allowing religious discussions in the off topic forum.

Ric said:

I guess the voting is about over and I Guess the No vote has it or at least it appears that way, which means we will be allowing members to have there religious quotes and references in there signature files and allowing religious discussions in the off topic forum.

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I suppose I've never seen a voting booth run so crooked. A YES vote is a NO and a NO vote is a YES.

If anyone falls for this I have some ocean front property for sale.

Bye Bye

And please take my email that was never sold or given away off the list.

Do not think anything was meant to be crooked.:thumbdown:

The thing I find interesting is that you had 182 members view the pole and only 18 voted. The results so far is 16 to 2 which indicates the content to be allowed. Now you would think there would be more votes when considering this thread has seen 648 views and that would indicate to me that people just don't care one way or the other. As far as the pole being crooked, that just sounds like someone who didn't like the outcome.

Seriously? Grow the frick up. You have the FREEDOM to leave the forum or CHOICE to ignore any comments you disagree with. Don't you have anything better to do than whine about someone's comment? Seriously!

i have to say if your going to wine about stuff like that then you need to get a life its no big deal and if you want to leave the site im sure you wont be missed

AmericanTurf said:

I'm an atheist. I don't mind the Jesus is coming signature. Everybody is entitled to there signature. It's America!!! Just don't post or comment about Jesus and all shall be well.
Wonder what Muslim Mohammed thinks?!?!? Haha!!!! He is in charge of this site?

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It appears that YOU are trying to force others to your agenda much more than they are.

Putterman, how so? You can't comprehend what you read?....like most Americans ....

SandburRanch said:

Due to the religious propaganda by Chosen, I have determined one of two things need to happen. Either the religious statements can cease or my name can be struck from the membership roster. Please notify me of your decision soon.

Thank you
SandburRanch

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Well guys I read this thread and don't seem to see any posts by the OP(SandburRanch) above since 4/18/13. Looks like he made good on his threat to leave and the topic can be closed. I, unlike user American Turf, am not an atheist which may be why I'm not as confrontational or quick to judge and denounce others opinions. That statement is purely based upon the posts I have read on these forums authored by him, some of those direct attacks on my opinions. Even the Forum Administrator does not agree that banning religious statements is something that his leadership has instructed him to do.

djdicetn said:

Well guys I read this thread and don't seem to see any posts by the OP(SandburRanch) above since 4/18/13. Looks like he made good on his threat to leave and the topic can be closed. I, unlike user American Turf, am not an atheist which may be why I'm not as confrontational or quick to judge and denounce others opinions. That statement is purely based upon the posts I have read on these forums authored by him, some of those direct attacks on my opinions. Even the Forum Administrator does not agree that banning religious statements is something that his leadership has instructed him to do.

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Well I don't think his leaving should be taken to heart, I don't believe he will be gone long. Carscw and Kenny both agreed with SandburRanch but I don't see them leaving in a huff and American Turf is expressing his feelings and that's fine because he and they are entitled to do so just like the individual with the religious signature is entitled to do so, isn't that what this thread is actually about?

SandburRanch said:

Due to the religious propaganda by Chosen, I have determined one of two things need to happen. Either the religious statements can cease or my name can be struck from the membership roster. Please notify me of your decision soon.

Thank you
SandburRanch

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Or you could choose to ignore it if I see something on here I dont like I just dont look at it anymore. What religious statements are you refering too?

djdicetn said:

Well guys I read this thread and don't seem to see any posts by the OP(SandburRanch) above since 4/18/13. Looks like he made good on his threat to leave and the topic can be closed. I, unlike user American Turf, am not an atheist which may be why I'm not as confrontational or quick to judge and denounce others opinions. That statement is purely based upon the posts I have read on these forums authored by him, some of those direct attacks on my opinions. Even the Forum Administrator does not agree that banning religious statements is something that his leadership has instructed him to do.

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Dad always said (Each to his, or Her own) and thats the way I see it I dont have to answer for what they believe, or do so its none of my concern.

wjjones said:

Or you could choose to ignore it if I see something on here I dont like I just dont look at it anymore. What religious statements are you refering too?

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It was a signature by Chosen....... Christ is coming soon. Are you ready?

Ric said:

Well I don't think his leaving should be taken to heart, I don't believe he will be gone long. Carscw and Kenny both agreed with SandburRanch but I don't see them leaving in a huff and American Turf is expressing his feelings and that's fine because he and they are entitled to do so just like the individual with the religious signature is entitled to do so, isn't that what this thread is actually about?

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It really is not worth leaving over and I did not vote on it. I am sure there are some ( Ric ) that do not like the things I say or the way I think

(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

I'm sorry if members choose to leave over my decision to not impose more rules on the membership than we have over the past three years. There may very well come a time when the forum needs a policy about certain content, but I don't think we're there yet. I trust that you guys will let me know if such measures become necessary. There are already too many posts for me to read every day so there will be topics that come up, get discussed, and I never even see them. :ashamed:

Muhammad said:

I'm sorry if members choose to leave over my decision to not impose more rules on the membership than we have over the past three years. There may very well come a time when the forum needs a policy about certain content, but I don't think we're there yet. I trust that you guys will let me know if such measures become necessary. There are already too many posts for me to read every day so there will be topics that come up, get discussed, and I never even see them. :ashamed:

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I think you have done a good job here and thank you for given all of us a place to share are love of mowers.

(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

Carscw said:

I think you have done a good job here and thank you for given all of us a place to share are love of mowers.

(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

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2nd that.:thumbsup: You can make all the people happy sometimes, and you can make some people happy all the time, but you cant make all the people happy all of the time.

Carscw said:

It really is not worth leaving over and I did not vote on it. I am sure there are some ( Ric ) that do not like the things I say or the way I think

(( racing is the only sport that you need two balls ))

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Its just friendly comradery.

wjjones said:

2nd that.:thumbsup: You can make all the people happy sometimes, and you can make some people happy all the time, but you cant make all the people happy all of the time.

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Took the words right out of my mouth.

Lets just put this to rest, so Ladies and Gentlemen start your mowers.:wink::thumbsup: