345 Starter Won't Even Turn Over with Power To It !!!!!!

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  • / 345 Starter Won't Even Turn Over with Power To It !!!!!!
STARTER WONT EVEN TURN OVER!! NO CLICK NOTHING

Battery is good 14.2 volts, power to the starter. Replaced the PTO switch last year. Is there a way to jump the starter? Any ideas on any notorious items that go bad. Thx
 
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This is what I do when I encounter this problem. Go through this procedure and post back with results.
Electrical problems can be very easy or very difficult, depending on four things.

1. How well you understand basic electricity.
2. What tools you have and know how to use.
3. How well you follow directions.
4. You don't overlook or assume anything and verify everything.

Remember we cannot see what you are doing. You are our eyes, ears and fingers in solving this problem. You must be as accurate as you can when you report back. The two basic tools we will ask you to use are a test light and a multi-meter. If you have an assistant when going through these tests it would be very helpful. These steps work the best when done in order, so please don't jump around. Now let's solve this problem.

First, check the fuse(s), check battery connections for corrosion (clean if necessary) and voltage - above 12.5 volts should be good. Check and make sure the chassis ground is clean and tight.
Second, check for power from the battery to one of the large terminals on the solenoid. One of the wires is connected directly to the battery and has power all the time so one of the large terminals should light a test light or show 12 volts on a meter at all times.
Third, check for power at the small terminal of the solenoid while depressing the clutch/brake pedal and holding the key in the start position (you may need an assistant to sit in the seat to override the safety switch). If your solenoid is a four wire solenoid, check both small wire terminals as one is ground and the other is power from the ignition switch. If your solenoid is a three wire solenoid, make sure the solenoid body is not corroded where it bolts to the chassis of the mower as this is your ground path back to the battery. If in doubt, remove the solenoid and clean the mounting area down to bare metal. If there is no power to the small terminal then your problem is most likely a safety switch, ignition switch or in the wiring.
Fourth, check for power on the other large terminal of the solenoid while holding the key in the start position (you may need an assistant to sit in the seat to override the safety switch).
Fifth, check for power at the starter while holding the key in the start position (assistant again).
Sixth, check your ground circuit back to the battery.

After you have gone through each of the above steps, let us know what happened when you did each step. At that point we will have great info to tell you how to proceed. Remember you are our eyes, ears, and fingers, so please be as accurate as possible.

Be as specific as possible with voltage readings as this will help diagnose your problem quicker. If you do not know how to perform the above checks, just ask and I will try to guide you through it. Youtube also has some videos and as you know a picture is worth a thousand words.
 

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  • / 345 Starter Won't Even Turn Over with Power To It !!!!!!
The 345 has a complicated wiring system that includes 4 relays + a fuseable link
I seriously suggest you buy the JD Technical Manual for your mower which will cost less than taking it to a shop to get it fixed
The technical manual is written to 14 Y/0 diction so plain text, no jargon & everything is explained including how to read the wiring diagrams and how to test each part
Relays do not like being used on lawn mowers and fail quite regularly as they literally shake to death
 

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Found a broke ground wire from the harness that grounds to the upper stud where the ignitor bolts to the engine. Now it runs. Thx for the info.
 
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