Engine won't start intermittently

gll@nmax.net

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I have a Troy Bilt Pony Model # 13AN77KS011, 42", 17.5HP Mower. Intermittently, the engine will not start when turning the key. (No solenoid clicking, nothing). After numerous attempts of turning the key to "Start", the mower will start. Battery is OK and I have cleaned the connections at the battery, starter, and the ground connection to the frame and no help. Any help with this problem would be greatly appreciated.
 
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KennyV

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WELCOME to these Forums...
You have at least 2 safety interlocks that the starting circuit relies on...
One is the brake/clutch, (left foot pedal)... the other is the PTO/Blade Engage lever.

The next time it is reluctant to do anything, While holding the key to start, release the foot pedal and reapply also move the PTO lever to engage and back to 'PTO Off'... One of those two will likely cause the starter to engage, that will tell you that that interlock switch is becoming intermittent... Those switches are (to a degree) self cleaning, and if you cycle them a several times they may clean up and continue to work.... Or You may have to eventually replace the switch that is causing the problem... :smile:KennyV
 

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KennyV:

Thanks for responding. I'll check both interlocks the next time it fails to start. Probably will be tomorrow morning. (Seems like sitting overnight and then trying to start it, the mower fails to start. After trying a half dozen or so times, it will start then). I'll let you know in the post.
 

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If checking the safety switches does not solve the problem, I hope it does, then try this troubleshooting procedure.



Electrical* problems can be very easy or very difficult, depending on four things.
1. * How well you understand basic electricity.
2. *What tools you have and know how to use.
3. *How well you follow directions.
4. *You don't overlook or assume anything and verify everything.

Remember we cannot see what you are doing. *You are our eyes, ears and fingers in solving this problem. *You must be as accurate as you can when you report back. *The two basic tools we will ask you to use are a test light and a multi-meter. *If you have an assistant when going through these tests it would be very helpful. *These steps work the best when done in order, so please don't jump around. *Now let's solve this problem.

First, check the fuse(s), check battery connections for corrosion (clean if necessary) and *voltage - above 12.5 volts should be good.*

Second, check for power from the battery to one of the large terminals on the solenoid. *One of the wires is connected directly to the battery and has power all the time so one of the large terminals should light a test light or show 12 volts on a meter at all times.*

Third, *check for power at the small terminal of the solenoid while depressing the clutch/brake pedal and holding the key in the start position (you may need an assistant to sit in the seat to override the safety switch). If your solenoid is a four wire solenoid, check both small wire terminals as one is ground and the other is power from the ignition switch. *If your solenoid is a three wire solenoid, make sure the solenoid body is not corroded where it bolts to the chassis of the mower as this is your ground path back to the battery. *If in doubt, remove the solenoid and clean the mounting area down to bare metal. *If there is no power to the small terminal then your problem is most likely a safety switch, ignition switch or in the wiring.*

Fourth, check for power on the other large terminal of the solenoid while holding the key in the start position (you may need an assistant to sit in the seat to override the safety switch). *If you have power what is the voltage?

Fifth, check for power at the starter while holding the key in the start position (assistant again). *If you have power what is the voltage?

Sixth, check your ground circuit back to the battery.

After you have gone through each of the above steps, let us know what happened when you did each step. *At that point we will have great info to tell you how to proceed. *Remember you are our eyes, ears, and fingers, so please be as accurate as possible.

Be as specific as possible with voltage readings as this will help diagnose your problem quicker. *If you do not know how to perform the above checks, just ask and I will try to guide you through it. *Youtube also has some videos and as you know a picture is worth a thousand words.
 

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Thanks for your response also, Rivets. I tried to start the mower this morning and also this evening and both times it started OK. As I stated, it is an intermittent problem. I'll continue to start it the next couple of days and hopefully I'll be able to catch it when it won't start. With KennyV and your suggestions, I feel sure I'll be able to isolate where the problem is. I'll continue to update on this thread.
 

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I finally caught the mower when it would not start. Yesterday and today it failed to start and I did as you suggested KennyV and it appears the PTO Interlock Switch is the culprit. I held the key in the Start position and activated and de-activated the PTO and the mower started both times! Now I have to figure out where exactly the Interlock is located, but at least I know how to start the thing when I need to mow. Thanks to both of you for your help in isolating my problem.
 

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It is Very likely the PTO switch itself... Or the wiring Plugged into the switch. :smile:KennyV
 
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