EFI Vanguard

[hrdman2luv]

The EPA, Politicians, and those Bass-Turdly lawyers have all but destroyed this country..we can only
hope ... that through what COMMON SENSE is left ... we will survive their onslaught.

Politics can ruin a lot of things. Including a good thread. he he he he he


Just a political note: Republicans and democrats have been messing up this country for over 100 years. And that's all I have to say about that.

 

[motoman]

IMO an efi engine is much better in all ways than carburetion... Throttle response, economy, emissions, power....on and on. What irks me is the actions of corporations who withhold information from those who would fix things themselves. It is just brainwash that "oh, these things are just too complex to fix." Like the TV ad by some ex NFL coach explaining a "check engine " light results in "thousand dollar" engine overhaul. (You mean like tightening a gas cap?)

Anyway, I think that the blink system may have gone away in auto repair with the OBD I system, but perhaps it lingers on in some small engine systems. I believe some Chinese efi engines have appeared, like the "yellow" lawn tractors (someone help with that brand name).

 

[Boobala]

IMO an efi engine is much better in all ways than carburetion... Throttle response, economy, emissions, power....on and on. What irks me is the actions of corporations who withhold information from those who would fix things themselves. It is just brainwash that "oh, these things are just too complex to fix." Like the TV ad by some ex NFL coach explaining a "check engine " light results in "thousand dollar" engine overhaul. (You mean like tightening a gas cap?)

Anyway, I think that the blink system may have gone away in auto repair with the OBD I system, but perhaps it lingers on in some small engine systems. I believe some Chinese efi engines have appeared, like the "yellow" lawn tractors (someone help with that brand name).

I remember those days ... when you could walk into the LOCAL corner hardware store get 3 screws,washers & nuts for less than a Quarter !!
Mr. Jones (the proprietor) might even give ya a few pointers on fixing that bicycle... THEN one day ..!!
we went from a D.I.Y. world...to a GREED filled SCREW YOU !!! mentality .. Glad LMF is here to restore my faith , that there are STILL a few
Human beings with common-sense & compassion to help their fellow D.I.Y. rs ... :thumbsup:

 

[motoman]

Just to clean up my own questions regarding efi I spent some time surfing around Kohler and found an excellent site most pros know about, but probably few diyers. It is 32 pp of great pdf pictures and procedures regarding their commercial efi system, components, access of fault codes etc. Sorry I cannot paste so here is a tedious site id: cpdonline.com/drl/Kohler_commercialEFI19620_110613-1.pdf

The site above tells how to obtain the blink codes with the 3 position ignition switch. It does not tell the vintage or the engine range (that I remember).

I kept looking and discovered (again probably well known to pros) that Walbro makes what we used to call a "throttle body" fuel injection system for the Cub Cadet consumer level lawn tractors called their EEM system. It takes up the space of a float carburetor . This system is apparently new since late 2015 and I could find nothing from either Cub Cadet or Walbro on trouble shooting the efi. Being a big box item it could give pause. Cub Cadet puts it on a single and V kohler engine. I would think Cub Cadet forum enthusiasts would want to pursue this.

 

[ILENGINE]

Just to clean up my own questions regarding efi I spent some time surfing around Kohler and found an excellent site most pros know about, but probably few diyers. It is 32 pp of great pdf pictures and procedures regarding their commercial efi system, components, access of fault codes etc. Sorry I cannot paste so here is a tedious site id: cpdonline.com/drl/Kohler_commercialEFI19620_110613-1.pdf

The site above tells how to obtain the blink codes with the 3 position ignition switch. It does not tell the vintage or the engine range (that I remember).

I kept looking and discovered (again probably well known to pros) that Walbro makes what we used to call a "throttle body" fuel injection system for the Cub Cadet consumer level lawn tractors called their EEM system. It takes up the space of a float carburetor . This system is apparently new since late 2015 and I could find nothing from either Cub Cadet or Walbro on trouble shooting the efi. Being a big box item it could give pause. Cub Cadet puts it on a single and V kohler engine. I would think Cub Cadet forum enthusiasts would want to pursue this.

the MTD system is used on select Cub Cadet and Troybilt mowers. Dealers have to purchase a cable to connect to the system, the software to run it is downloaded from the MTD dealer only site, and the throttle body is replaced if determined defective as a complete assembly. Any tampering or disassembly of the EFI components will result in the warranty claims being denied and there is a 100% vendor return policy for any parts of the system.

 

[bertsmobile1]

I remember those days ... when you could walk into the LOCAL corner hardware store get 3 screws,washers & nuts for less than a Quarter !!
Mr. Jones (the proprietor) might even give ya a few pointers on fixing that bicycle... THEN one day ..!!
we went from a D.I.Y. world...to a GREED filled SCREW YOU !!! mentality .. Glad LMF is here to restore my faith , that there are STILL a few
Human beings with common-sense & compassion to help their fellow D.I.Y. rs ... :thumbsup:

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It is called inflation.
That quarter would also buy a gallon ( or better ) of fuel and represented an hour of your hard labour
Now an hour of your labour in worth around $ 10.00 and you still get a bag of screws , a bag of washers & a bag of nuts for under 1 hours work.

We now have governments run bu richious christians ( or at least they pretend to be ) desperately trying to prove Darwin was wrong by shoving all sots of legislation that is not needed and serves very little purpose between the shop owner & his ( sexist pig ain't I ) customers.
so he spends all day in his office filling out forms that no one actually reads.
Then don't forget greed.
I am 20 km from a big shopping center and my local hardwear store is closing down. Why ?
Because the greedy selfish local residents will happily drive 20 km each way thus waste 2 hours of travel time to go to the big box hardwear store, stand in front of a wall of prepackaged fasteners for an hour trying to find what they want, buy 5 packets because they are confused or can't find what they wanted rather than go to the local store and get the right fasteners, in the right lengths loose because he charges 3 times as much per fastener as the big box store does.
Then of course they break because the big box stores are selling cheap Chinese domestic grade fasteners where as the local store only keeps industrial grade fasteners.
When this fisasco is over the then drive 23 km to the specialists fastener shop and pay the same price as they would have from the local shop, but that is OK because they are a specality shop and speciality shops are always dearer because the keep better stock.

 

[motoman]

I would like to hear how the throttle body Walbro runs and know its reliability. I did not read "MTD" as using machines (but I am out of the pro loop). The machines advertising the efi on the Cub Cadet site are a single cyl model # XT1LT42 stamped deck,single XT1LT46 fab deck and XT2LX 42 twin cyl stamped deck. Out here NW there is a dealer in Portland OR, but no machines at the local dealer franchised to handle them. Again I wonder (aloud) how someone purchasing one of these could ever get service in view of poor testimonies on the more common tractors?? Today at Home Depot I did see a Cub Cadet, but not the efi model. So the "common man" version of efi machine cannot be trouble shot by the owner unlike the blink system of the commercial units. I wonder what the bare , replaceable throttle body Walbro costs?

 

[ILENGINE]

moto, nobody stocks the EFI engine in my area either, and the dealers I have spoken to have refused to order any on their spring stocking order.

 

[motoman]

Well after only a year to 18 months ( since announcement?) the pipeline is pretty empty. I do remember after many years of carbureted cars that even the (relatively) primitive throttle body had impressive throttle response, but was fairly quickly replaced with the port efi. That was in the early 1980's if memory serves. But throttle response is not so significant in lawn tractors. Nevertheless seems like an $1800 big box price is pretty impressive depending upon the performance and reliability. Maybe I will put a thread in cub cadet forum for owners to "tell all.":smile: