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Can someone please identify this push mower?

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allenwolf

Hello all, I am brand new to the site and I am enjoying my time here. I have a question I have been wanting to ask for some time now. I have a little push mower project, i'm restoring an old one. All I know about the mower is that i bought it for 10 bucks and it ran so good deal. It has a 3.0 Hp Briggs engine that is white, i don't know the model # of that, and there are no markings on the deck. Here are some pictures.

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/6011/img0337h.jpg
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/6931/img0338gk.jpg
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/4319/img0341ki.jpg
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4973/img0348wh.jpg

I would like to know about when it was made and who made it. Thanks a lot! :thumbsup:


#2

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noma

HI Allenwolf

I would look on the sides of, it will be kinda easy to look being you got i took all apart now for a stamping.Because some company had to have stamped it out of steel with some kind of model or brand name, im sure they stamped out thousands of them at the time. That is what i would look for it is going to be hard to see it ,it might not be to deep imprint good luck. Welcome aboard to LMF glad to have you along with us.:licking::licking::licking:


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webuyanymower.com

Best guess would be an AYP product from the mid 70s try sending the pics to them. They used to have a tractor factory in Charlotte North Carolina from memory it was a
Frigidaire Electrolux factory they build Husqvarna, Partner, Craftsman ETC ETC
Good luck with the search


#4

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allenwolf

That would make sense, as i live in Raleigh, NC. I cant seem to find any old ayp mowers like this on the net. It has staggered wheels...so maybe it could be rare?


#5

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Emeritus

Hey, that's funny you asked it yesterday, I'm looking at very similar engine here wondering what it might be (the deck is different though). The label on the deck is completely washed out. The engine is (has been) white, with some letters ...TON readable, so I guess Briggs it is.
What I really need is some advice about maintaining it, how much oil goes in, etc. I've very little experience with these little engines. :rolleyes:


#6

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earthworm

Just keep her clean and dry as best one can...In this weather, its impossible.
Maintain a good oil level, change it once or twice annually.
The gasoline ages; run her in the winter or do a 100% gas clean out..
I use Shell Rotella T6 synthetic 10-40....an overkill ??


#7

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Emeritus

Thanks to OP I identified this engine and even found a manual on B&S website. Good job B&S supporting your machinery!
Synthetic oil probably is an overkill, synthetic saves your engine during cold starts. Especially in winter, but unless you use your lawnmower to blow snow ... At 50+ degrees regular oil will do. And synthetic runs longer than regular, I change oil in my cars in 20-25k miles as recommended by Amsoil. Again, we do not need this kind of durability in lawnmowers.

Edit: @earthworm
Use ethanol-free gas, it will not corrode your fuel system during winter.
Ethanol-free gas stations in Pennsylvania


#8

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benski

Thanks to OP I identified this engine and even found a manual on B&S website. Good job B&S supporting your machinery!
Synthetic oil probably is an overkill, synthetic saves your engine during cold starts. Especially in winter, but unless you use your lawnmower to blow snow ... At 50+ degrees regular oil will do. And synthetic runs longer than regular, I change oil in my cars in 20-25k miles as recommended by Amsoil. Again, we do not need this kind of durability in lawnmowers.

Edit: @earthworm
Use ethanol-free gas, it will not corrode your fuel system during winter.
Ethanol-free gas stations in Pennsylvania
Why wouldn't you use synthetic in a lawnmower in good shape? The most it will cost you is about $12.00, plus filter for a season. Of all the places to go "inexpensive", a piece of lawn maintenance equipment isn't it for me. Can you imagine the impact if we could get 300 hrs. out of a mower engine that is designed to go 100 hrs?


#9

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Emeritus

Of course you can use synthetic oil in lawnmower. :smile:
My point was considering the usage pattern synthetic will not perform better than regular. See those 18-wheelers on the interstate? They run over million miles during their lifetime. On regular oil, because their usage pattern does not benefit from synthetic oil.
OTOH, I'd pour nothing but synthetic into my car, although here in deep south we do not get very cold weather.
Now, if your lawnmower works 300 hours a year, then yes, you could benefit from synthetic because you do not need to change it in 100 hours. But you need to change oil once a year.
Here the grass grows almost all year round, I get about 35 hours per year on my moving lawnmower and I see no point pouring synthetic into it. :wink:


#10

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jamesslcx

Hi everyone, Allenwolf you got a great deal on that mower! I cant identify it but I like it. As far as using syn. or conventional i am torn on this. I had a pushmower ( 3 horse Briggs) that lasted me many years of hard use until my wife hit a rock one day . I used nothing but regular Q.S, changed every season, now I use synthetic and conventional in several different mowers and to be honest so far I caint see much difference, I think regular maint. is what makes them last. Use what oil makes you happy but change it when you should.


#11

Two-Stroke

Two-Stroke

I can't help ID the deck but I can say that I've had a few of those old Briggs engines over the years. I'm pretty sure that the engine was made in the early 1980s or before.

I've seen lots of "generic" mowers from those years with the Briggs engines. You're lucky the deck isn't rusted beyond repair.


#12

Mad-Mike

Mad-Mike

Looks like a Franken Mower made of the following.....

Sycamore 19" deck - I don't know who made the Sycamore lawn mowers, except that a friend had one. They seemed to have been made between 1984 and 1990, and sold at Sears as a budget model small-width mower. That is definatley not the original handle, Sycamore used an hour-glass shaped handle with a zone control on it.

Briggs 80902 or 90902 series engine. 3 or 3.5 HP, System 2 Safety Control, looks like a franken-engine given the multiple colors (white parts). Could have been the original engine paired with replacements from a donor engine.

The handle looks like it came off of something made by Southland mower Corp of Selma Alabama. They made mowers under the name Southland, Vulcan, and Harts Pride, and were sold at West and Lowes back in the day.

The wheels are also not original, they look like the garden variety plastic wheels found on 20" 3.5 HP Push mowers in the 80's and 90's. Sycamore used wheels like those found on Weber and Aussie branded charcoal grills, full plastic, black, and with "whitewalls"

Hopefully I've been helpful here.


#13

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benski

Wow! What a fount of knowledge.:thumbsup:Knowing something well enough to see what's original and what's not takes a keen eye, and some time with the breed.:biggrin:


#14

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Emeritus

Just found this, regarding oil, you do not read all of it to receive enlightenment. :wink:

FerrariChat.com - FAQ: Motor Oil Articles by Dr. Ali E. Haas (AEHaas)


#15

Sammy the Red

Sammy the Red

Just found this, regarding oil, you do not read all of it to receive enlightenment. :wink:

FerrariChat.com - FAQ: Motor Oil Articles by Dr. Ali E. Haas (AEHaas)

Lot of info to digest ! :thumbsup:


#16

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KennyV

Just found this, regarding oil, you do not read all of it to receive enlightenment. :wink:

FerrariChat.com - FAQ: Motor Oil Articles by Dr. Ali E. Haas (AEHaas)

Thank you for the link.. interesting and a Lot of good information... unfortunately those that 'believe' whatever they believe, are not likely to abandon their way of thinking just because the facts show otherwise...

But your linked information puts a lot of information together in a handy spot for those interested ...
I just wish it were in a thread that had a title that included the words ... Engine Oil... it will likely get lost in this thread...
Thanks... :smile:KennyV


#17

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jamesslcx

Hello everyone, as to Haas oil article I think it is way overthought for the type of vehicles and equipment I use. I feel I get good service using the recommended lubricants, and service intervals. While I am thankful for all the advice on this site I am still undecided between synthetics and mineral oils, I use both and I am satisfied without more scientific proof and facts to back it up I will always wonder if synthetic is really better for my use. As for the "Franken mower it is still very cool! I would like to have it.


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