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Should people have to defend themselves because they can't explain clearly whats wrong with their mower/machine? If they could name all the parts and functions of said parts why are they asking for help. They don't understand what's wrong with their machine and can't explain it so others can help and then get attacked for not knowing the name or function of it. People will say sh-t on a forum that they would not say face to face to people because if they did we would get knocked into next week.

gfp55 said:

Should people have to defend themselves because they can't explain clearly whats wrong with their mower/machine? If they could name all the parts and functions of said parts why are they asking for help. They don't understand what's wrong with their machine and can't explain it so others can help and then get attacked for not knowing the name or function of it. People will say sh-t on a forum that they would not say face to face to people because if they did we would get knocked into next week.

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Advise isnt free... it cost the giver years of thier life to gain the experience to give it to YOU for free. So I would have more respect.

If one doesnt know what all the parts are called or what they do they should not be trying it alone in the first place.

Forums like this save consumers money as it enables them to DIY. The very ppl giving you advise on here loose out as they all own or work for the shops that would be fixing it for you otherwise.

That been aid.... how can we help you?

People come to forums for many reasons. While there is no need for unnecessary harassment, a person should have basic knowledge in what they are asking. Posting something like "My engine won't start, what could it be?" is just plain lazy and inviting for a snicker or two.

I've become a heckuva driveway mechanic raising 2 Daughters with multiple used cars. I've had the laptop in the garage with a youtube video going more than once. Have saved thousands of dollars with the help from forums like this, Google & youtube.

(lawnmowerJusten).....Is someone forcing you to give FREE advice? I give out advice to try to help folks and to pass it on. If someone knows all the answers does that give people the right to belittle the person asking the questions? I don't need help from you, but thanks. I'm talking about some others on this forum that get mean with people that ask questions, thats all. You are always are nice and civil.

Gfp55: I am definitely not condoning people being rude. But I do understand the frustration some members may have with the poor quality of info given when asking for help. No make or model and very vague description of fault is not acceptable.

No one is forcing us to give advise but members shouldnt have to pull teeth to help someone else. Thats just my opinion.

As for where i stand when it comes to sharingbknowledge I think my signature says it all.

Thanks for bringing up a good issue, I think there will be lots more discussion on this one.

RetiredGuns said:

People come to forums for many reasons. While there is no need for unnecessary harassment, a person should have basic knowledge in what they are asking. Posting something like "My engine won't start, what could it be?" is just plain lazy and inviting for a snicker or two.

I've become a heckuva driveway mechanic raising 2 Daughters with multiple used cars. I've had the laptop in the garage with a youtube video going more than once. Have saved thousands of dollars with the help from forums like this, Google & youtube.

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I understand, but lets say your daughters didn't have you to do that work for them and they go on a forum, do you think they are going to know what to say (use the right words) start out with the model # serial # etc? Service managers hear it all, do they say "are you lazy or what?......" You can always snicker latter with a cold one and talk about your day. I don't think people are naive on purpose.

LawnmowerJustin said:

Gfp55: I am definitely not condoning people being rude. But I do understand the frustration some members may have with the poor quality of info given when asking for help. No make or model and very vague description of fault is not acceptable.

No one is forcing us to give advise but members shouldnt have to pull teeth to help someone else. Thats just my opinion.

As for where i stand when it comes to sharingbknowledge I think my signature says it all.

Thanks for bringing up a good issue, I think there will be lots more discussion on this one.

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I agree with you!!! I'm not trying to make anyone mad and I hope no one takes me wrong.

gfp55 said:

Should people have to defend themselves because they can't explain clearly whats wrong with their mower/machine? If they could name all the parts and functions of said parts why are they asking for help. They don't understand what's wrong with their machine and can't explain it so others can help and then get attacked for not knowing the name or function of it. People will say sh-t on a forum that they would not say face to face to people because if they did we would get knocked into next week.

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A lot of people come here that do not know how to fix their mower. And they do not know what any of the parts are. Or they use different terms for things.

Like my mower won't crank. To some it means engine will not turn over to others it means engine turns over but won't start.

This could be a good forum if people could leave their egos at the door. There are to many guys here that think the way they do things is the only and best way. But truth be told most would be lost without model numbers and a book.

I have Sean people ask for a model number just to tell someone how to take a tire off a wheel.

gfp55 said:

I understand, but lets say your daughters didn't have you to do that work for them and they go on a forum, do you think they are going to know what to say (use the right words) start out with the model # serial # etc? Service managers hear it all, do they say "are you lazy or what?......" You can always snicker latter with a cold one and talk about your day. I don't think people are naive on purpose.

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Naive is fine and I never belittle anyone regardless of how they ask a question. I am simply saying that the folks that are needlessly lazy when seeking help should try to be as detailed as they can.

RetiredGuns said:

Naive is fine and I never belittle anyone regardless of how they ask a question. I am simply saying that the folks that are needlessly lazy when seeking help should try to be as detailed as they can.

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I don't think they are being lazy. I think they really think that all mowers are the same and there is only one thing that will prevent it from starting.

RetiredGuns said:

Naive is fine and I never belittle anyone regardless of how they ask a question. I am simply saying that the folks that are needlessly lazy when seeking help should try to be as detailed as they can.

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Yes I agree, but people are people. Read the thread POOPS and POPS and DIES and you may see what I'm talking about. Thats just one.

gfp55 said:

Yes I agree, but people are people. Read the thread POOPS and POPS and DIES and you may see what I'm talking about. Thats just one.

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Yep, another Fish vs Gfp55. You guys need to get along

DJlawnboy said:

Yep, another Fish vs Gfp55. You guys need to get along

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No one gets along with you FISH.

DJlawnboy said:

Yep, another Fish vs Gfp55. You guys need to get along

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Where have you been good buddy. Do you still have that tach? O I now own the lawn care business that you hoped would burn down, sorry your wish won't come true.

gfp55 said:

Where have you been good buddy. Do you still have that tach? O I now own the lawn care business that you hoped would burn down, sorry your wish won't come true.

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Good glad you stepped up and didn't let some entitled POS ruin it. May your business prosper.

Add ENGINE OIL as defend threads looks like guys are ragging on you for using synthetic oil. Saying your wasting money. I also use synthetics in my cars/trucks.

DJlawnboy said:

Good glad you stepped up and didn't let some entitled POS ruin it. May your business prosper.

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Why the change of heart? For some reason I don't think you mean it.... Your post on the thread sounded very dark.

gfp55 said:

Why the change of heart? For some reason I don't think you mean it.... Your post on the thread sounded very dark.

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You did something about it...much respect for not sitting by. Like I said ENGINE OIL thread is another good example of people bashing users for no reason. Someone in particular said your wasting money.

Weird different people, in different regions, sometimes different countries, with different level of jobs. All have different opinions? They do something a certain way they feel is the best way and get defencive when someone tells them otherwise. There are hundreds of people here all have different opinions... They will clash people will argue.

Here's the bottom line this is the internet. No one is winning any fights at the end of the day you turn off the comp and continue to live your life and do it your way while the other person 5000 miles away does what they wanna do. If you log on here to ask a question prepare to get lots of different answers. The more detailed you are the better we can help we can't see, smell, touch, hear your machine and that's how we would diagnose a machine we were working on. So tell us everything you can...

Some people may think it is stupid to ask for model number for something like removing a wheel, but that gives some of us a chance to go to an IPL look up the mower, and then we found out how the wheel is attached to the axle, or if we are working on the engine, we can see if it is manual choke, automatic choke, primer, what air filter attachment, does it have fuel solenoid or not. That is how we see the mower that you are working on.

Some times somebody will post My mower won't start, and then they get defensive if nobody answers them within 10 minutes.

People should be able to disagree, Carscw and I seldom agree, but that does not mean our answers aren't going to help. People like Fish just do to things, start a fire between responders or turn off OP's. Each of us come with a different set of experiences and backgrounds. Do I know everything, absolutely not. I have been working on small engines for 40+ years, but at least once a week I learn something new here. I have posted my problems here and guys like IL, reynoldston, Kenny V., Engine Man and Ric all know more than me, plus we have disagreed on how to solve a problem more than once. Working in a dealership and as a retired instructor, safety is my #1 concern, which is why I post certain ways to do things. IE; safety switches or shut off valves. OP's who feel that our answers or posts are bogus and worthless, have the right not to follow them, but don't have the right to try to call us out. They forget that they came to us, not the other way around. The one problem that I cannot stand is when they ask a question, get an answer and then they say that the answer is not the cause. If you knew that much why did you ask for help. If you have a problem with a thread, you have two choices, get out or be prepared to stand by your posts. As most of you know, I will always stand behind my posts and will not let someone bully me out of a thread. The only time I drop a thread is when I don't feel I can help the OP or someone else with the same problem. My signature tells everyone what they can do with my posts.