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woody31

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• Oct 8, 2018 / No Start No Power

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Hi there. I have a cub cadet model #13ava1cs009 Was running fine, Went to start it next time to cut and nothing,,
No start,, no power,,nothing
There is no power to the other side of solenoid, I have changed the key switch and a new solenoid,' No luck,, Battery voltage is 12.8 so i know that"s not it. there is power from battery to solenoid but nothing after that.You can jump the solenoid and engine will turn over but not start then either. I found a use close to the battery and it appears to be good. Blades are not engaged and brake is locked down. What am i missing here?
Thanks in advance.

 

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• Oct 8, 2018 / No Start No Power

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Fuses can fail and still appear to be good. Check with a fuse tester or replace to eliminate it as a possible cause. I've been caught by that assumption myself before and wasted a LOT of time because of it.

 

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• Oct 8, 2018 / No Start No Power

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Been my experience that if it don't start it cannot make any power...................:laughing:

 

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• Oct 10, 2018 / No Start No Power

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SidecarFlip said:

Been my experience that if it don't start it cannot make any power...................:laughing:

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I came here for help...not smart azz answers,,if you dont have asolution to my problem stay off my thread,,,

As i said no start,,no power to the other side of the solenoid,,\20 amp fuse is good,,blades are not engaged and brake is on,ANYBODY???

 

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• Oct 10, 2018 / No Start No Power

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Go through this procedure to pinpoint the cause. SideCar, for your understanding, the battery can make power even if the engine won’t start. Report back your findings and we will give more input.

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• Oct 10, 2018 / No Start No Power

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As i stated,,there is no power anywhere after the battery,,1 post on solenoid is hot,,nothing after that,,Brakes are locked down,,deck is off,,,handle to engage is all the way back,,sitting on the seat,,nothing,,no lights,,no click,,nada,,,,fuse is good,,,removed ground wire from body,,cleaned body and cable with 80 grit,,still nothing,,,

 

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• Oct 10, 2018 / No Start No Power

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On the large post on the solenoid, which the battery wire is connected, there should be a small wire which goes to the switch. Did you test the B terminal on the switch to which this wire is attached? I’ll bet not. I’ve been polite to you, but if you want to answer the questions in my post as you replied to SideCar, then I can’t help you. Your choice how you want to proceed.

 

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• Oct 11, 2018 / No Start No Power

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Thanks for your time and replies. I have checked 2x and there is no power anywhere other than the 1 post on the solenoid.
i will look again at both small wires after work today. I do appreciate your help.

 

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• Oct 15, 2018 / No Start No Power

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I had that problem on my Tank the linkage to the hydraulic valve would bend and not activate the safety switch. I took it back 6 times and Cub could not fix it.

 

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• Oct 15, 2018 / No Start No Power

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I have the exact same lawn tractor except my deck is a 50" three blade. The only safety switches are on the seat, brake, PTO and no mow in reverse. The NMIR switch couldn't be a factor in this case. You can test switches by unplugging them one at a time and jumping across the plugs with a small piece of wire bent in a u shape. This is only for diagnostics, not for mowing.

Did you check the connections at the battery? Tight? Clean? You can still get good voltage with a poor connection under no load conditions.

Please keep us informed of what you find.