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    Re: Interesting work around for Starting failure

    Quote Originally Posted by Boobala View Post
    The solenoid is USUALLY, a part of the mower itself, supplied from the manufacturer, so, now we need the mower model number (usually found under the seat,) most likely, if you've been using a 3 pole solenoid, that's all it needs.
    I am not disagreeing with Boo I am just letting you know what I do. I replace all 3 pole solenoid with 4 pole and make a ground wire and hook it up. I find it the more reliable form of a ground.
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    Re: Interesting work around for Starting failure

    Quote Originally Posted by BlazNT View Post
    I am not disagreeing with Boo I am just letting you know what I do. I replace all 3 pole solenoid with 4 pole and make a ground wire and hook it up. I find it the more reliable form of a ground.
    I'll agree with you on that ! you can pick up a ol Ford (fender mount type for around $8.00-$10.00 at an auto parts store,) AND .. they'e heavy-duty to boot !

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    Mower : Murray Select 46 " deck
    Model : 465306X8A
    Serial # : 733781D027
    Date of Mfg. : 2003/12/03

    Engine : Briggs & Stratton
    I/C V Twin
    21 H.P.
    Model : 4045A7
    Type : 0211 E1
    Code : 031104YG
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    Re: Interesting work around for Starting failure

    Quote Originally Posted by Boobala View Post
    The solenoid is USUALLY, a part of the mower itself, supplied from the manufacturer, so, now we need the mower model number (usually found under the seat,) most likely, if you've been using a 3 pole solenoid, that's all it needs.
    I carry 2 solenoids.
    A universal fit 3 pole & a universal fit 4 pole.
    A solenoid is just a switch, nothing fancy or unique about them.
    Stens, Rotary, Oregon & Prime Line all do universal solenoids.
    I used to stock the prime line ones as they seemed to be better quality ( made in Brazil or Mexico ) but they exited Aust 4 years ago.
    heavy duty ones like starter solenoids usually have diode or shunt in there so they won't work in the battery voltage is too low.

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    Re: Interesting work around for Starting failure

    Good morning Boobala!

    Unfortunately, the ID Tag under the seat was missing when I bought the mower, so with ILEngine's help, I've determined the closest model to what I actually have is:

    Mower Model: 13A6672G129 (you can see that thread here)


    Good morning BlazNT and Bertsmobile1!

    Thank you for adding to the conversation! I can appreciate that a "solenoid is just a switch". I'll see about grabbing a Ford replacement so as to ensure it's more heavy-duty compared to a traditional MTD/Tecumseh replacement solenoid. Also, on that topic, I'll get a 4 Pole version, and just run a new lead to a freshly created grounding point. It appears that I'll spend around approximately $10 for the new 4 Pole solenoid.

    If the current starter still spins freely when the ignition key is turned, does it sound like I can avoid replacing the entire starter? Personally, I'm hoping that I only need replace the bendix gear assembly. I don't know if I have a traditional starter or an opposed starter, so not sure what replacement kit to get.

    Lastly, does anyone have a preferred source they'd like to recommend to buy the replacement gear kit, or even the solenoid?

    Thank you all for your time and contributions in helping me resolve my latest adventure in small engine repair!

    -David

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    Re: Interesting work around for Starting failure

    Chuck
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    Re: Interesting work around for Starting failure

    Here's where to get a few manuals :

    USE these numbers to fill in the form, I got the SERIAL number from another posting ( really doesn't matter in your case )

    Model # 13A6672G129 .... Serial # 1E050B40171
    http://manuals.mtdproducts.com/mtd/Public.do

    get em ALL !

    also here's a good parts place .. https://www.partstree.com/parts/mtd/...ver-head-valve

    Other parts places :
    (sjmparts,com) ... (ereplacementparts.com) ... (repairclinic.com) ... (equipatron.com) ... ( jasckssmallengines.com)
    it pays to shop for prices .... DON'T forget S&H charges, some places have a flat rate charge ($9.95 @ sjmparts) for instance ...


    Mower : Murray Select 46 " deck
    Model : 465306X8A
    Serial # : 733781D027
    Date of Mfg. : 2003/12/03

    Engine : Briggs & Stratton
    I/C V Twin
    21 H.P.
    Model : 4045A7
    Type : 0211 E1
    Code : 031104YG
    Family YBSXS . 7242VF 22844

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    Re: Interesting work around for Starting failure

    Ok, finally had some good weather and got out to remove starter.

    Big shock, it looks like the bendix gear is in great shape physically. It's metal, and barely worn.

    I hooked it back onto the engine block and positive wire such that I could see the gear spin when I turned the key. It spins, but barely lifts upward to engage the large engine block gear during the spin process.

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    Re: Interesting work around for Starting failure

    The bendix is made up of two gears. One you see which engages the starter to the ring gear and the other, which you canít see, drives the bendix up the starter shaft. This one is probably bad and then you replace the entire bendix.
    This is only my opinion, and many will say it ain't worth a darn, as I'm only a retired grease monkey instructor and not a professional mechanic. Use what I post at your own risk as you know teachers only know book knowledge.

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    Re: Interesting work around for Starting failure

    Found a lil info for ya, ... checkin the manual for your ENGINE, starter is item # 395 .. the P/N = 36795 from what I see
    found MANY prices for complete starter but you may get by with just parts you will have to check YOUR starter..check through this info and go from there.....

    TEC STARTER.PNG..TEC STARTER BIG.PNG..

    https://www.partstree.com/parts/tecu...s-list-ohv15a/

    https://www.partstree.com/parts/tecu...ctric-starter/

    http://www.barrettsmallengine.com/te...95starter.html

    https://www.partstree.com/parts/tecu...ctric-starter/

    BE SURE to buy your parts from a reputable parts dealer , a previous posting names some..
    Last edited by Boobala; 03-18-2018 at 09:11 PM.


    Mower : Murray Select 46 " deck
    Model : 465306X8A
    Serial # : 733781D027
    Date of Mfg. : 2003/12/03

    Engine : Briggs & Stratton
    I/C V Twin
    21 H.P.
    Model : 4045A7
    Type : 0211 E1
    Code : 031104YG
    Family YBSXS . 7242VF 22844

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    Re: Interesting work around for Starting failure

    In case ya need it here's your engine repair Manual, starter info ( very little is on pg. 48 )

    http://www.barrettsmallengine.com/ma...alvemanual.pdf


    Mower : Murray Select 46 " deck
    Model : 465306X8A
    Serial # : 733781D027
    Date of Mfg. : 2003/12/03

    Engine : Briggs & Stratton
    I/C V Twin
    21 H.P.
    Model : 4045A7
    Type : 0211 E1
    Code : 031104YG
    Family YBSXS . 7242VF 22844

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