Toro Recycler will not start

trooper1954

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I have a Toro 22" rear drive Recycler with a Briggs 6.75 motor (190cc).
Winterised (stabaliser in fuel), electric start battery fully charged, fresh gas put in, new plug, have spark......STILL won't start by key or pull start ( have even tried engine start spray). When plug is removed after only a few pulls it's soaking wet and the motor is probably flooded. How do I find the carb adjustment on thi engine and what do I adjust it to lean it out? I think that's the problem but would like some help. The engine number is 126T05-0219 B1 07092757.
Appreciate any help.
 

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Seen it too many times, no need to adjust the valve, they are not the problem. Remove the carb, disassemble and either have it ultrasonicly clean or give it a 24 hour bath. Reassemble with a new float needle and seat and you should be go to go. Here is a procedure which I use.

Needle and seat replacement

Remove the carb, and then remove the float bowl. Check the float bowl jet (which is the bowl screw) and make sure the jets both horizontal and vertical are clean and open. Tip the carb upside down and remove the float pin and float with needle attached. Look in the float needle passage and you should see the red float seat at the bottom of the passage. This is where a #5 crotchet hook would come in handy as you need to remove this seat. If you have no hook, but compressed air, you can blow through the fuel inlet and try to pop the seat out. Put your thumb over the passage to prevent the seat from flying who knows where. No air or hook try bending a stiff paper clip to dig the seat out.

I would either give the carb a good 24 hour soaking or have it ultrasonically cleaned at this time.

With the seat out clean the passage way with carb cleaner. Now you must find a drill bit slightly smaller than the passage way, to be used to press in the new seat. Apply a very, very small amount of a very light lube to the new seat. 3-1 oil or lighter, to help seat it better. Carefully insert the new seat in the passage way with the rings on the seat down toward the carb body. Slowly and carefully force the seat down with the back end of the drill bit. Once it is seated, check to see that it did not flip and the rings are up. *Next check to make sure that the float does not have any liquid in it. *If it does, replace. *If everything looks correct, attach the new needle to the float and install with the float pin centered. It everything is correct, the float should seat level to the carb body, when looking at it upside down. If everything looks good reattach the float bowl, making sure that both the bowl gasket and the nut gasket seal properly. Reinstall on the engine and test unit. Remember to have patience and take your time. Good luck, but I don't think you'll need it.

PS: *On the side of some Tecumseh carbs you will find a plastic cover. *Under this cover will be an idle jet. *Remove it and check to see that the jet is open both horizontally and vertically. *You should be able to push the old float needle wire through the vertical opening.
 

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Thanks Rivetts....unfortunately I have done all you suggested, new needle and seat, carb. cleaner and air,new plug, re -assembled and still will not start. There is a small fuel leak out of one side of the carb...at the bottom as you look at it it seems to be weeping out of the hole marked in the photo...I have taken the bowl off and reseated the o ring. As you can see, when held upside down the float is not level with the carb....is this a problem?
Thanks for the quick response....much appreciated.
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Just a quick update.... I disassembled the float bowl again and replaced the o-ring, the small leak has stopped. It would have been sucking air through this...no? Would that explain no starting?
 

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The fuel was leaking because the needle and seat was not sealing and allowing the carb to over fill with fuel and the easiest place to go out was that "hole".

The thermostat for the ready start could be sticking, not working, or not adjusted properly.
It should be free and spring easily.
On the black air vane on the exhaust side is notches.
The thermostat should be adjusted in between these notches.

Or

How did you check spark as that might be your problem. You should use a spark tester and not ground plug against cylinder.

You said the plug was wet so if spark it should fire.
 

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Thanks pugaltitude....yes, I checked the spark by holding against th engine block. The Briggs spark testers are available but they want $30 for them :)
You mention the thermostat....where would I find a diagram that would tell me where that is, and how would I check it?
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Your engine is too old to have the new thermostat choke system.
 

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That engine is probably one of first and so will have the early thermostat
It is a ready start carb because if you look at the 1st pic on the left is the shoulder of the carb that holds the vane on and the choke plate is the ready start type.
Parts list also shows it could be ready start.
 

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Pug, you are correct. My brain must be getting foggy, I thought the easy start came out in 2009.
 
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