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JD D-140 Won't Even Crank... Switch Problem
#1
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edv7028
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edv7028
Hello All...
While cutting some 8.0' high White Weed, a small tree fell over and stuck on top of the Reverse Pedal. I backed-out of the jungle, then drove back to the house. No Problems.
When I tried to restart the engine, it wouldn't even crank. I called JD Customer Service who relayed me to a local dealer. They told me it was possibly the Reverse Switch beneath the frame; but couldn't point me any closer. Does anyone have a photo of where this switch is ?
I'd also like to know how to access the Fuel Level Indicator so I can clean any grass and debris from it. JD Customer Service tells me that this may be the problem for Intermittent Reading of my Fuel Level. Help me if you can.
Thank You !
edv7028
Seguin, Texas
While cutting some 8.0' high White Weed, a small tree fell over and stuck on top of the Reverse Pedal. I backed-out of the jungle, then drove back to the house. No Problems.
When I tried to restart the engine, it wouldn't even crank. I called JD Customer Service who relayed me to a local dealer. They told me it was possibly the Reverse Switch beneath the frame; but couldn't point me any closer. Does anyone have a photo of where this switch is ?
I'd also like to know how to access the Fuel Level Indicator so I can clean any grass and debris from it. JD Customer Service tells me that this may be the problem for Intermittent Reading of my Fuel Level. Help me if you can.
Thank You !
edv7028
Seguin, Texas
#2
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bertsmobile1
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bertsmobile1
If you get no response from here consider buying the JD technical manual.
People scream blue murder about the price but they are excellent, comprehensive and even have diagrams in the electrical section that shows exactly where every part is, where the connector for that part is and how to test it, At the start of every section there is a "theory of operation" that clearly explains how the whole lot works so you know what to do & why you are doing it,
The book will pay for itself the very first time you don't take your mower to the shop and when you sell ( even if it is totally wrecked ) you will get a price substantially above the general level and 2 to 3 times the price you paid for the manual.
I sell a few used ones down here and will get $ 500 ( Aust) more if I include a $ 100 manual + a printout of the free owners book.
Found that out by accident so everything that I sell through Evilbay / gumtreee/ craigslist etc has a print out of the technical manual.
People scream blue murder about the price but they are excellent, comprehensive and even have diagrams in the electrical section that shows exactly where every part is, where the connector for that part is and how to test it, At the start of every section there is a "theory of operation" that clearly explains how the whole lot works so you know what to do & why you are doing it,
The book will pay for itself the very first time you don't take your mower to the shop and when you sell ( even if it is totally wrecked ) you will get a price substantially above the general level and 2 to 3 times the price you paid for the manual.
I sell a few used ones down here and will get $ 500 ( Aust) more if I include a $ 100 manual + a printout of the free owners book.
Found that out by accident so everything that I sell through Evilbay / gumtreee/ craigslist etc has a print out of the technical manual.
#3
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edv7028
Thank You !
E
edv7028
If you get no response from here consider buying the JD technical manual.
People scream blue murder about the price but they are excellent, comprehensive and even have diagrams in the electrical section that shows exactly where every part is, where the connector for that part is and how to test it, At the start of every section there is a "theory of operation" that clearly explains how the whole lot works so you know what to do & why you are doing it,
The book will pay for itself the very first time you don't take your mower to the shop and when you sell ( even if it is totally wrecked ) you will get a price substantially above the general level and 2 to 3 times the price you paid for the manual.
I sell a few used ones down here and will get $ 500 ( Aust) more if I include a $ 100 manual + a printout of the free owners book.
Found that out by accident so everything that I sell through Evilbay / gumtreee/ craigslist etc has a print out of the technical manual.
Thank You !
#4
BlazNT
BlazNT
I think that it my have bent your Reverse Pedal just enough to not make contact any more with the switch. Follow the pedal under the mower till you find the switch. It is under there but exactly where will be a hunt and find type of ordeal.
#5
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edv7028
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edv7028
Hello & Thank You. I got it.
It turned-out to be one of those rarities... the main fuse. It appeared to be intact; but after checking the hour meter, I noticed that it didn't have any numbers on it, so... a bad fuse.
Thank You All
edv7028
"Your mind is like a parachute. It works better when it's open !"
It turned-out to be one of those rarities... the main fuse. It appeared to be intact; but after checking the hour meter, I noticed that it didn't have any numbers on it, so... a bad fuse.
Thank You All
edv7028
"Your mind is like a parachute. It works better when it's open !"
#6
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edv7028
Hi Again...
Any idea as to how I can clean-out the area where the Fuel Indicator Pivot is located ? The JD CSR tells me that it's between the frame and the Fuel Tank. I'm guessing that the entire frame has to be lifted for access. The Fuel Indicator is Intermittent. Even when the tank is completely empty, the indicator can remain stuck at the top, indicating a full tank. Not very reliable.
Thanks !
edv7028
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edv7028
I think that it my have bent your Reverse Pedal just enough to not make contact any more with the switch. Follow the pedal under the mower till you find the switch. It is under there but exactly where will be a hunt and find type of ordeal.
Hi Again...
Any idea as to how I can clean-out the area where the Fuel Indicator Pivot is located ? The JD CSR tells me that it's between the frame and the Fuel Tank. I'm guessing that the entire frame has to be lifted for access. The Fuel Indicator is Intermittent. Even when the tank is completely empty, the indicator can remain stuck at the top, indicating a full tank. Not very reliable.
Thanks !
edv7028
#7
BlazNT
It will be under the frame if memory serves me. It may not serve me correctly.
BlazNT
Hi Again...
Any idea as to how I can clean-out the area where the Fuel Indicator Pivot is located ? The JD CSR tells me that it's between the frame and the Fuel Tank. I'm guessing that the entire frame has to be lifted for access. The Fuel Indicator is Intermittent. Even when the tank is completely empty, the indicator can remain stuck at the top, indicating a full tank. Not very reliable.
Thanks !
edv7028
It will be under the frame if memory serves me. It may not serve me correctly.
#8
BlazNT
BlazNT
Fuel sending units are inside of the gas tank not on the outside of it. How could it tell how much fuel if it was not in the gas?
#9
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bertsmobile1
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bertsmobile1
Blas,
Please please check before you post or if you don't know don't post
Ed
Assuming you have one of the models with a black bar under the seat that raises & lowers as the fuel level changes.
This system works by suspending the fuel tank on a spring.
As the weight of the fuel decreases the tank rises & the indicator which is on a bell crank lowers.
Remove both rear wheels.
While they are off clean the axels and coat with some bentonite ( light brown ) axel grease to prevent rusting.
With the wheels off blow out the debris with an air duster.
Also check that the long black support that goes across the frame is in good condition.
They tend to break , mostly on the right side if you give the deck a hard smack in the full height position
This should be your fuel tank http://jdpc.deere.com/jdpc/servlet/com.deere.u90490.partscatalog.view.servlets.HomePageServlet_Alt
The part that breaks is number 12
If it breaks on the right side, I usually slip the older, plain steel saddle clamp under it.
If it breaks on the left, it will give unreliable fuel readings and will need replacing.
Note the support is only held in by 1 bolt on each end ( # 16 in dia ) and they generally break where the tounge slips into a square hole in the frame rail.
And I repeat my initial suggestion about the manual.
The early models had a window so you could see the height of the fuel & was a much better system which only goes to prove the engineering maximum
No simple system works so well that it can not be made unreliable by making it more complicated.
And not trying to sound smug, the D model is not a rough cut mower it is designed for finely manicuring the grounds on my Lords mannar.
Please please check before you post or if you don't know don't post
Ed
Assuming you have one of the models with a black bar under the seat that raises & lowers as the fuel level changes.
This system works by suspending the fuel tank on a spring.
As the weight of the fuel decreases the tank rises & the indicator which is on a bell crank lowers.
Remove both rear wheels.
While they are off clean the axels and coat with some bentonite ( light brown ) axel grease to prevent rusting.
With the wheels off blow out the debris with an air duster.
Also check that the long black support that goes across the frame is in good condition.
They tend to break , mostly on the right side if you give the deck a hard smack in the full height position
This should be your fuel tank http://jdpc.deere.com/jdpc/servlet/com.deere.u90490.partscatalog.view.servlets.HomePageServlet_Alt
The part that breaks is number 12
If it breaks on the right side, I usually slip the older, plain steel saddle clamp under it.
If it breaks on the left, it will give unreliable fuel readings and will need replacing.
Note the support is only held in by 1 bolt on each end ( # 16 in dia ) and they generally break where the tounge slips into a square hole in the frame rail.
And I repeat my initial suggestion about the manual.
The early models had a window so you could see the height of the fuel & was a much better system which only goes to prove the engineering maximum
No simple system works so well that it can not be made unreliable by making it more complicated.
And not trying to sound smug, the D model is not a rough cut mower it is designed for finely manicuring the grounds on my Lords mannar.
#10
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edv7028
Hi There...
I'm thinking the same way you are but the JD CSR told me that the Indicator located between your knees below the seat is on a pivot point under the frame that can get clogged with grass and debris. I asked if it worked on magnetics; but she didn't know.
Thanks !
edv7028
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edv7028
Fuel sending units are inside of the gas tank not on the outside of it. How could it tell how much fuel if it was not in the gas?
Hi There...
I'm thinking the same way you are but the JD CSR told me that the Indicator located between your knees below the seat is on a pivot point under the frame that can get clogged with grass and debris. I asked if it worked on magnetics; but she didn't know.
Thanks !
edv7028
#11
BlazNT
BlazNT
When I first started looking into this all I could find was automotive style fuel pumps for your mower. Sending unit is attached to them and they sit in the tank. After looking again this morning I am not sure my search worked at all yesterday. I am inclined to believe Bert on this. His above post sounds logical. I normally do not speak of others post but I think he is correct.
#12
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edv7028
Hello & Thanks Again to All...
I'm still in the dark as to how to get to the Fuel Indicator Pivot so that I can clean it out and let it swing properly and give me a good Fuel Reading.
Thanks !
edv7028
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edv7028
When I first started looking into this all I could find was automotive style fuel pumps for your mower. Sending unit is attached to them and they sit in the tank. After looking again this morning I am not sure my search worked at all yesterday. I am inclined to believe Bert on this. His above post sounds logical. I normally do not speak of others post but I think he is correct.
Hello & Thanks Again to All...
I'm still in the dark as to how to get to the Fuel Indicator Pivot so that I can clean it out and let it swing properly and give me a good Fuel Reading.
Thanks !
edv7028
#13
BlazNT
BlazNT
Picture attached. I hope this helps.
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edv7028
Thank You !!! This makes it SO Easy to find. I wonder why the JD CSR couldn't have done the same.
I sincerely appreciate the time and effort you put into this for me.
Have a Great Day and Thanks Again !
Gratefully,
edv7028
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edv7028
Picture attached. I hope this helps.
View attachment 30262
Thank You !!! This makes it SO Easy to find. I wonder why the JD CSR couldn't have done the same.
I sincerely appreciate the time and effort you put into this for me.
Have a Great Day and Thanks Again !
Gratefully,
edv7028
#15
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bertsmobile1
I told you in post # 9
Pull off both rear wheels
The fuel indicator is right there in front of your eyes,
Well in front of my eyes because I put the rear axel on 20" high stands so I can sit on a seat.
Looks like the link to the parts page did not work, however if you type d140 ( note no spaces) in the little window at the top it will bring up your mower as a clickable link.
Click on the line that looks like this 10445 - D140 100 Series Tractor - 02Nov16 ( FR DE IT ES )
Then click on this Sectional Index
Then click on this 30 - Fuel And Air
Then click on this 20 - Fuel Tank (100001 - )
Note there are 4 fuel tank diagrams ( 17-18-19-20)
17 is the first type without the idiot fuel level indicator
18-19-20 are the new type
18 & 20 are the same
19, the image Blaz posted is the same tank, but a different image including the California only charcoal filter and showing the fuel indicator as disconnected parts.
IF you bought the digital version of the technical manual which you would have by now , then you could have read the :-
THEORY OF OPERATION
The rear of the fuel tank ( Part 1 ) sits in a channel in the frame which allows it to pivot up and down at the front end.
The front end of the fuel tank sits on the foot of the indicator arm ( part 11 )
The indicator arm itself pivots on the support base ( part 12 )
The front of the fuel tank is held up by a pair of springs ( part 13 ) which span from an anchor point on the fender ( not shown in this diagram ) to bushes ( part 7) over protrusions moulded into the tank and fastened by a spring clip ( part 6).
AS fuel is placed into the tank , the weight of the fuel tank increases causing it to stretch the springs allowing it to depress the arm which being a bell crank causing the visible indicator to rise.
If you use the link to the JD parts diagrams and ferret a bit you might also find section 85 - Mower Deck And Lift Linkage
Clicking on that will reveal subsection 44 - Mower Deck Lift Linkage
PAY ATTENTION THIS IS IMPORTANT
This diagram is wrong it is for the previous model ( first fuel tank diagram 17 ) without the fuel indicator.
The deck lift rod ( part 21 ) is incorrectly named "universal driveshaft".
On the older system it is retained by a pair of steel saddle clamps ( part 15 )
On your mower the deck lift rod is retained by the support base ( part 12 in the previous diagram ) which is plastic.
if the deck is given a hard whack when on a high cut position the lift rod ( part 21 ) hits the plastic support base and it breaks as mentioned way back in a previous post
Grass accumulates between the indicator arm & the support.
It also accumulates under the fuel tank with the same effect.
Don't forget to grease the axle or the wheels will rust solid to the axle.
B
bertsmobile1
Hello & Thanks Again to All...
I'm still in the dark as to how to get to the Fuel Indicator Pivot so that I can clean it out and let it swing properly and give me a good Fuel Reading.
Thanks !
edv7028
I told you in post # 9
Pull off both rear wheels
The fuel indicator is right there in front of your eyes,
Well in front of my eyes because I put the rear axel on 20" high stands so I can sit on a seat.
Looks like the link to the parts page did not work, however if you type d140 ( note no spaces) in the little window at the top it will bring up your mower as a clickable link.
Click on the line that looks like this 10445 - D140 100 Series Tractor - 02Nov16 ( FR DE IT ES )
Then click on this Sectional Index
Then click on this 30 - Fuel And Air
Then click on this 20 - Fuel Tank (100001 - )
Note there are 4 fuel tank diagrams ( 17-18-19-20)
17 is the first type without the idiot fuel level indicator
18-19-20 are the new type
18 & 20 are the same
19, the image Blaz posted is the same tank, but a different image including the California only charcoal filter and showing the fuel indicator as disconnected parts.
IF you bought the digital version of the technical manual which you would have by now , then you could have read the :-
THEORY OF OPERATION
The rear of the fuel tank ( Part 1 ) sits in a channel in the frame which allows it to pivot up and down at the front end.
The front end of the fuel tank sits on the foot of the indicator arm ( part 11 )
The indicator arm itself pivots on the support base ( part 12 )
The front of the fuel tank is held up by a pair of springs ( part 13 ) which span from an anchor point on the fender ( not shown in this diagram ) to bushes ( part 7) over protrusions moulded into the tank and fastened by a spring clip ( part 6).
AS fuel is placed into the tank , the weight of the fuel tank increases causing it to stretch the springs allowing it to depress the arm which being a bell crank causing the visible indicator to rise.
If you use the link to the JD parts diagrams and ferret a bit you might also find section 85 - Mower Deck And Lift Linkage
Clicking on that will reveal subsection 44 - Mower Deck Lift Linkage
PAY ATTENTION THIS IS IMPORTANT
This diagram is wrong it is for the previous model ( first fuel tank diagram 17 ) without the fuel indicator.
The deck lift rod ( part 21 ) is incorrectly named "universal driveshaft".
On the older system it is retained by a pair of steel saddle clamps ( part 15 )
On your mower the deck lift rod is retained by the support base ( part 12 in the previous diagram ) which is plastic.
if the deck is given a hard whack when on a high cut position the lift rod ( part 21 ) hits the plastic support base and it breaks as mentioned way back in a previous post
Grass accumulates between the indicator arm & the support.
It also accumulates under the fuel tank with the same effect.
Don't forget to grease the axle or the wheels will rust solid to the axle.
#16
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edv7028
Thank You. I did not see your earlier post.
Once again... Thanks !
edv7028
E
edv7028
I told you in post # 9
Pull off both rear wheels
The fuel indicator is right there in front of your eyes,
Well in front of my eyes because I put the rear axel on 20" high stands so I can sit on a seat.
Looks like the link to the parts page did not work, however if you type d140 ( note no spaces) in the little window at the top it will bring up your mower as a clickable link.
Click on the line that looks like this 10445 - D140 100 Series Tractor - 02Nov16 ( FR DE IT ES )
Then click on this Sectional Index
Then click on this 30 - Fuel And Air
Then click on this 20 - Fuel Tank (100001 - )
Note there are 4 fuel tank diagrams ( 17-18-19-20)
17 is the first type without the idiot fuel level indicator
18-19-20 are the new type
18 & 20 are the same
19, the image Blaz posted is the same tank, but a different image including the California only charcoal filter and showing the fuel indicator as disconnected parts.
IF you bought the digital version of the technical manual which you would have by now , then you could have read the :-
THEORY OF OPERATION
The rear of the fuel tank ( Part 1 ) sits in a channel in the frame which allows it to pivot up and down at the front end.
The front end of the fuel tank sits on the foot of the indicator arm ( part 11 )
The indicator arm itself pivots on the support base ( part 12 )
The front of the fuel tank is held up by a pair of springs ( part 13 ) which span from an anchor point on the fender ( not shown in this diagram ) to bushes ( part 7) over protrusions moulded into the tank and fastened by a spring clip ( part 6).
AS fuel is placed into the tank , the weight of the fuel tank increases causing it to stretch the springs allowing it to depress the arm which being a bell crank causing the visible indicator to rise.
If you use the link to the JD parts diagrams and ferret a bit you might also find section 85 - Mower Deck And Lift Linkage
Clicking on that will reveal subsection 44 - Mower Deck Lift Linkage
PAY ATTENTION THIS IS IMPORTANT
This diagram is wrong it is for the previous model ( first fuel tank diagram 17 ) without the fuel indicator.
The deck lift rod ( part 21 ) is incorrectly named "universal driveshaft".
On the older system it is retained by a pair of steel saddle clamps ( part 15 )
On your mower the deck lift rod is retained by the support base ( part 12 in the previous diagram ) which is plastic.
if the deck is given a hard whack when on a high cut position the lift rod ( part 21 ) hits the plastic support base and it breaks as mentioned way back in a previous post
Grass accumulates between the indicator arm & the support.
It also accumulates under the fuel tank with the same effect.
Don't forget to grease the axle or the wheels will rust solid to the axle.
Thank You. I did not see your earlier post.
Once again... Thanks !
edv7028
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mrstan
I suggest you get the parts diagrams for your tractor to look over. This helps me find where parts are as well as giving me the part numbers and getting a new one when I need. Here is link to page...
Put in your model and save your pages in a folder to review anytime you need:
http://jdpc.deere.com/jdpc/servlet/...HomePageServlet_Alt?irand=4927453327120750782
Hope that helps some! It is free, right? LOL
Stan
M
mrstan
Hello All...
While cutting some 8.0' high White Weed, a small tree fell over and stuck on top of the Reverse Pedal. I backed-out of the jungle, then drove back to the house. No Problems.
When I tried to restart the engine, it wouldn't even crank. I called JD Customer Service who relayed me to a local dealer. They told me it was possibly the Reverse Switch beneath the frame; but couldn't point me any closer. Does anyone have a photo of where this switch is ?
I'd also like to know how to access the Fuel Level Indicator so I can clean any grass and debris from it. JD Customer Service tells me that this may be the problem for Intermittent Reading of my Fuel Level. Help me if you can.
Thank You !
edv7028
Seguin, Texas
I suggest you get the parts diagrams for your tractor to look over. This helps me find where parts are as well as giving me the part numbers and getting a new one when I need. Here is link to page...
Put in your model and save your pages in a folder to review anytime you need:
http://jdpc.deere.com/jdpc/servlet/...HomePageServlet_Alt?irand=4927453327120750782
Hope that helps some! It is free, right? LOL
Stan