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HRR216 loose belt

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twinsinpa

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I have a Honda Twin Blade Advantage HRR216 9KVA 3 in 1 system mower. It does not self propel anymore. It seems that my belt is awful loose. I was going to try to replace it but i cannot figure out how to remove the black cover to see the transmission. I have a picture of my type of mower underneath. I have searched all over for this type for help and no luck. Any suggestions?
Thanks - I know next to nothing and was trying to repair via you tube.:confused2:


#2

NorthBama

NorthBama

the bolts for the cover are covered by grass and dust. dig around and find the bolts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VirgTCU_c0. see if this video will help.


#3

BlazNT

BlazNT

Looks like your spring came off. Circled in red.
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twinsinpa

BlazNT said:
Looks like your spring came off. Circled in red.
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oh thanks! didnt see that. thanks but i still need to get the darn shroud off.


#5

BlazNT

BlazNT

Get your manual here.
http://powerequipment.honda.com/support/owners-manuals/lawn-mowers/hrr
Or post the rest of the info off your sticker on the mower deck and I will circle the spots where the bolts are in the photo.


#6

primerbulb120

primerbulb120

I have 2 of these mowers, use them all the time. The spring looks just fine to me, there isn't really any room for it to come off anyway.

Before you try taking the belt off, try adjusting the belt tension - procedure is in your owners manual. If you don't have the manual I can take a picture of mine :thumbsup:


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robert@honda

robert@honda

twinsinpa said:
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I have a Honda Twin Blade Advantage HRR216 9KVA 3 in 1 system mower. It does not self propel anymore.
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The '9' in the model name means it is a K9 (version code) model, which has a slip-belt design transmission. The belt should be a bit loose, and when you operate the SmartDrive control, you are rotating the transmission, which causes the belt to tighten around the engine's pulley and in the input pulley on the transmission. Have a helper fully engage the SmartDrive control and the belt should be snug. If it is still loose, then the cable can be adjusted.

Related, Honda did issue a Service Bulletin back in April of 2015 where the belt would come off the engine pulley, often due to light debris (sticks, pine cones, etc.). Honda redesigned the pulley and belt guide to resolve the problem. The updated pulley has a deeper groove, so the belt rides deeper, and the belt guard shape was revised as well.

The updated pulley and guard were applied to production model HRR2169VKA models starting with serial number MZCG-9370838.

Drop me a private message with your email, and I'll send you a copy of the bulletin; it's got nice photos and procedure on how to get to the belt. Include the serial number of your mower, and I can check on its warranty status. It came with a 3-year warranty, BTW, and if still active, and a dealer determines your mower has this issue, repairs would be covered under warranty.


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twinsinpa

robert@honda said:
The '9' in the model name means it is a K9 (version code) model, which has a slip-belt design transmission. The belt should be a bit loose, and when you operate the SmartDrive control, you are rotating the transmission, which causes the belt to tighten around the engine's pulley and in the input pulley on the transmission. Have a helper fully engage the SmartDrive control and the belt should be snug. If it is still loose, then the cable can be adjusted.

Related, Honda did issue a Service Bulletin back in April of 2015 where the belt would come off the engine pulley, often due to light debris (sticks, pine cones, etc.). Honda redesigned the pulley and belt guide to resolve the problem. The updated pulley has a deeper groove, so the belt rides deeper, and the belt guard shape was revised as well.

The updated pulley and guard were applied to production model HRR2169VKA models starting with serial number MZCG-9370838.

Drop me a private message with your email, and I'll send you a copy of the bulletin; it's got nice photos and procedure on how to get to the belt. Include the serial number of your mower, and I can check on its warranty status. It came with a 3-year warranty, BTW, and if still active, and a dealer determines your mower has this issue, repairs would be covered under warranty.
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Thanks so much for the info. i finally got the shroud cover off and everything looks good. see my pics. the belt is alittle loose but seems to tighten when i push the lever on the handle. spring is attached. not sure what it is now. any insight to what is wrong? when i lifted the back end up and pushed the lever for it to self propel the wheels would move but barely. ugh i am stumped. one yr old!!

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primerbulb120

primerbulb120

Follow the cable adjustment procedure on pages 13 and 14 of your operator's manual: http://cdn.powerequipment.honda.com/pe/pdf/manuals/00X31VL0N030.pdf


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twinsinpa

primerbulb120 said:
Follow the cable adjustment procedure on pages 13 and 14 of your operator's manual: http://cdn.powerequipment.honda.com/pe/pdf/manuals/00X31VL0N030.pdf
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ok i think i fixed it - it seems i wasnt pressing the handle thing down far enuf for the wheels to go. so i adjust the handle thing farther up so its easier to press down farther - if u know what i mean. and that works fine. and i wud be fine with. altho i was going to try what you suggested but in the manual it starts with pulling backwards to check wheel resistance - but i cant cuz they lock up immeidately. now i am not sure how to adjust the smart drive cable since i dont have a starting place. what to do now that my rear wheels lock up immediately? everything all clean-no obstructuions.


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primerbulb120

primerbulb120

Your rear wheel bushings need to be replaced.


#12

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twinsinpa

primerbulb120 said:
Your rear wheel bushings need to be replaced.
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Really? This mower is about 1 yr old??? they need replaced already? Honda is really disappointing me. My last Honda lasted 10yrs.


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primerbulb120

primerbulb120

Yes. The rear wheel bushings are really the only bad part about these Honda mowers. Honda should have used bearings, but they didn't. I use my Honda commercially and I replace or grease the bushings every few weeks. The bushings aren't that expensive, I buy them for 95 cents each from Jacks Small Engines.

The only reason I don't buy a different mower is because I can't find a better mower than the Honda.


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twinsinpa

primerbulb120 said:
Yes. The rear wheel bushings are really the only bad part about these Honda mowers. Honda should have used bearings, but they didn't. I use my Honda commercially and I replace or grease the bushings every few weeks. The bushings aren't that expensive, I buy them for 95 cents each from Jacks Small Engines.

The only reason I don't buy a different mower is because I can't find a better mower than the Honda.
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ok thanks - is it hard to do? and are they called driveshaft bushings? thats what i order?


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primerbulb120

primerbulb120

1. It's not a very difficult procedure, just takes some time. (For me about 60-90 minutes.) It will probably take you longer. You will need socket set, snap ring pliers, hammer and some grease.

2. Yes, they are called driveshaft bushings. Look them up here: http://peparts.honda.com/powerequipment#/browse/lm/hrr/hrr216/HRR216K9-VKAA Jacks Small Engines is a good place to get them. Go ahead and order 6 or 8 of them so you'll have some for next time.


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twinsinpa

primerbulb120 said:
1. It's not a very difficult procedure, just takes some time. (For me about 60-90 minutes.) It will probably take you longer. You will need socket set, snap ring pliers, hammer and some grease.

2. Yes, they are called driveshaft bushings. Look them up here: http://peparts.honda.com/powerequipment#/browse/lm/hrr/hrr216/HRR216K9-VKAA Jacks Small Engines is a good place to get them. Go ahead and order 6 or 8 of them so you'll have some for next time.
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haha yep it will probably take me all day!!!
ok I ordered them - thanks


#17

primerbulb120

primerbulb120

Here's an image I got from Robert@Honda that may help you with the repair:

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If you have questions or need any help let me know. Or even better let Robert know :wink:


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