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How crappy are the Powermore OHV's and has anyone found any actual specs for them?

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SirJohn

These seem to be popping up on more and more budget mowers in the past couple of years. I know they are a cheap china clone, but how do they really compare to the B&S flatheads that they have been replacing. It looks like the 139cc model is replacing everything from the B&S 300 to the 550. Has anyone found any actual torque or hp ratings on how they actually compare to those engines or have any experience with them? Now that they have been out a few years and showing up on more models, has the parts situation improved any on them?


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reddragon

reddragon

its just a rumor....but if briggs brings back murray....mtd needs another engine supplier....this is it.....as far as tecumseh? i dont know....i hope they come back too


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originalswampfox

I recently went to murray.com the site look like briggs has started selling murrays and when you look for a dealer you don't get home depot or lowes etc. Never worked on a Powermore but haven't heard anything good about them either.


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reynoldston

reynoldston

I just googled powermore engines and it looks like a well made engine. It looks like it is made in China and it just seems that anything made in China is cheap and junk. I have been looking at Chinese made scooters and it just seems every thing I hear about them is bad like you can't keep the valves adjusted for one thing. I think that with time it is going tell because as I remember back in the 50's everything made in Japan was junk and look at it Japanese made products now. It looks like a gamble as to if powermore engines are any good or not.


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originalswampfox

China in general is the coming supplier. First they will beat you on price and later on quality(just as Japan has done)


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ILENGINE

reddragon said:
its just a rumor....but if briggs brings back murray....mtd needs another engine supplier....this is it.....as far as tecumseh? i dont know....i hope they come back too
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Tecumseh is coming back under the old lauson name. the company that took over tecumseh is also the company that is handling LCT engines.


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kjc

SirJohn said:
These seem to be popping up on more and more budget mowers in the past couple of years. I know they are a cheap china clone, but how do they really compare to the B&S flatheads that they have been replacing. It looks like the 139cc model is replacing everything from the B&S 300 to the 550. Has anyone found any actual torque or hp ratings on how they actually compare to those engines or have any experience with them? Now that they have been out a few years and showing up on more models, has the parts situation improved any on them?
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I'm curious if anyone has valve lash specs for the 300? cc powermore engine. I spoke with a guy at MTD that was supposed to be a tech and it was complete KAOS. They have been using this engine long enough that you would think they would at least sound like they've heard of it before. Best he could do is give me a part number for a service manual and i had to demand that because it was EXTREAMLY obvious he had no idea what any specs were.


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reynoldston

reynoldston

kjc said:
I'm curious if anyone has valve lash specs for the 300? cc powermore engine. I spoke with a guy at MTD that was supposed to be a tech and it was complete KAOS. They have been using this engine long enough that you would think they would at least sound like they've heard of it before. Best he could do is give me a part number for a service manual and i had to demand that because it was EXTREAMLY obvious he had no idea what any specs were.
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Don't get me wrong but it is nice to know the specks when you work on a engine, something I try for. My problem is that is a luxury I don't always have. As for my self I just guess with a universal number. for valves I use .006 and .012 and for torque specs I go by size. All I know it seems to work OK for me.


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kjc

Yeah, i agree to the guess work. Especially when it comes to an engine that no one, Not even the folks using the engine, can even understand. I was kind of hoping the problem was my lack of patience with the people at MTD and that someone with a more understanding attitude was able to get further with them and was able to get some actual specs out of one of there "techs". I appreciate the reply and hopefully the folks at MTD will eventually be able to figure out what is going on with the engine they are working with and give us poor techs a little more to work with than a crystal ball.
Since it looks like i'm going to be working on these engines no matter what i guess i'll order the service book and then the "techs" at MTD can request the info from me and know that at least someone knows where to find the specs. Then i'll Put them on hold for 45 min. while i have cofee and smoke a couple cigs before i tell them to STICK IT.
But i'll be glad to refer any specs to my fellow wrenches that need them so feel free to e-mail me if anyone needs info. cornellandsons@charter.net


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BOB NELSON

DOES THE POWERMORE OHV ENGINE HAVE A TIMING BELT LIKE THE HINDA DOES BOB


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BOB NELSON

DOES THE POWERMORE OHV ENGINE HAVE A TIMING BELT LIKE THE HONDA DOES BOB


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tuffnell

I know of two 208cc Powermores (One is two years old and the other is one year old) being used on snowblowers, No problems with either one.
No timing belts used on the 208cc.


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earthworm

kjc said:
Yeah, i agree to the guess work. Especially when it comes to an engine that no one, Not even the folks using the engine, can even understand. I was kind of hoping the problem was my lack of patience with the people at MTD and that someone with a more understanding attitude was able to get further with them and was able to get some actual specs out of one of there "techs". I appreciate the reply and hopefully the folks at MTD will eventually be able to figure out what is going on with the engine they are working with and give us poor techs a little more to work with than a crystal ball.
Since it looks like I'm going to be working on these engines no matter what i guess I'll order the service book and then the "techs" at MTD can request the info from me and know that at least someone knows where to find the specs. Then I'll Put them on hold for 45 min. while i have coffee and smoke a couple cigs before i tell them to STICK IT.
But I'll be glad to refer any specs to my fellow wrenches that need them so feel free to e-mail me if anyone needs info. cornellandsons@charter.net
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I think that the solution is for our government to demand that if the Mexicans, the Chinese, the Martians wish to do business with us, they will have to abide with some rules.
Good customer service is one..If they do not know what this is, I'll be be happy to explain. Of course, I'll need the team approach; no one man show will suffice.
This may even "level" the playing field and our manufacturers will stand a chance....via excellent service..


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Rgflo64

I purchased a 2018 cub cadet cc 30 that has a 382 mL engine on May May 11, 2018 now almost 3 years later it is spun a bearing and picked half of the ride cat through the side of the engine and I am about two weeks away from the Warranty running out and all they do is tell me to go to a dealer


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bertsmobile1

Spun a bearing where ?


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claycock

BOB NELSON said:
DOES THE POWERMORE OHV ENGINE HAVE A TIMING BELT LIKE THE HONDA DOES BOB
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yes This is a china copy of a Honda. Have had mine for over 10 years, change oil yearly, clean filter regularly and dont leave old gas in it over the winter months. Never had a problem with mine usally starts on first pull, has pretty well worn out the front tires which are used with the selfpropell. unit. not sure if they have the hardened crank and crank bearing like a Honda. but it gave me good service over the years.


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StarTech

StarTech

Whoa...Just which one are you referring to. The P61, P70, P71 use direct crankshaft gear to camshaft gear timing. Very similiar to a Briggs engine. No timing belt. Besides Powermore are MTD engines.
And no they don't have ball bearings. The bearing is physically part of the crankcase.

These engines will be exclusively distributed and serviced by MTD under the Powermore® engine brand. Powermore® engines are a premium small block engine with advantages that in many cases are better than competitive engine models.

Reference: 769_03354A_P61,P65,P70 Vertical Engine Service Manual.


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