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Bearings went out on 46" deck spindle

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Pumper54

Model 46209X0C Lost the bearings on one of the spindles and it burned up the belt before I got it all shut down. Have the jack shaft out of the spindle and it looks like one of the bearings/bushings in locked on the shaft and the large one in the spindle is seized tight. Are the bearing replaceable or is it time for new spindles? Also have any put grease fittings on the spindles to be able to lube them?

Thanks
Tom


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KrashnKraka

KrashnKraka

Pumper54 said:
Model 46209X0C Lost the bearings on one of the spindles and it burned up the belt before I got it all shut down. Have the jack shaft out of the spindle and it looks like one of the bearings/bushings in locked on the shaft and the large one in the spindle is seized tight. Are the bearing replaceable or is it time for new spindles? Also have any put grease fittings on the spindles to be able to lube them?

Thanks
Tom
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The spindle is out and dismantled so yes, the bearings can be
swapped out.
Press bearing one off the shaft, some heat may help there.
Using a brass drift, tap bearing two from the housing.
Inspect shaft and housing for surface damage where bearings sit.
Buy a new complete spindle if any doubt the surfaces are
even slightly damaged.
Where good, clean throughly all components and fit new bearings.
Very thin application of a NeverSeeze product may help dismantling
on next spindle service.

You should find any new bearing is sealed for life.
Theoreticly, greasing such units will shorten their service life.
However with some ingenuity, carefully placed passage holes,
and a threading tap, greasepoints can be added.
Just go easy in applying grease over time, it is possible to
explode (hydrallic) the bearing only because you cannot see
grease, unlike a joint or sleeve.

Trust that helps some.


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Pumper54

Thanks for the reply, any idea what the bearing numbers are? The previous owner of the mower gave me an old spindle that had the bearings out and I can not see any numbers on what is left of the bearings.
Tom


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Pumper54

Found a Texas based company that has the replacement bearings as a kit so I ordered three sets of them. Might as well replace them all as I have the deck off and back at the house.
Tom,


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KrashnKraka

KrashnKraka

Pumper54 said:
Found a Texas based company that has the replacement bearings as a kit so I ordered three sets of them. Might as well replace them all as I have the deck off and back at the house.
Tom,
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No clue on what a mower manufacturer or OEM parts
outfit could supply, sorry.

[rant]

Long practiced by myself is measuring bearings to
select from the range offered by a bearing supplier.
Especially in recent times where appliance manufacturers
use any bearing in any application with cost being the prime
factor.
Bearings are cheap.
The downtime for production and always the cost of labour
to swap them out is not, cheap. Not forgetting the major
component damage done when bearings (a hard steel)
turn on mating surfaces which are of malleable alloys.

[/rant]

... thanks for listening :smile:


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Pumper54

I know what you mean about the quality of the bearings available today. I own several old motorcycles and finding wheel bearings and the like for them are a royal pain in the butt. When the replacement kits arrive I will record the bearing numbers if they are marked so I can obtain just the bearings if needed again. I have a friend who retired from the bearing business after 30+ years and he said he has seen the bearing world go down hill in the past decade or so. Not sure way manufactures are putting sealed bearing in stuff and adding grease fittings also? I would rather add a couple of pumps of grease each season then have to wait for bearing to fail before replacing them.

You have a great day
Tom


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KrashnKraka

KrashnKraka

Pumper54 said:
I know what you mean about the quality of the bearings available today. I own several old motorcycles and finding wheel bearings and the like for them are a royal pain in the butt. When the replacement kits arrive I will record the bearing numbers if they are marked so I can obtain just the bearings if needed again. I have a friend who retired from the bearing business after 30+ years and he said he has seen the bearing world go down hill in the past decade or so. Not sure way manufactures are putting sealed bearing in stuff and adding grease fittings also? I would rather add a couple of pumps of grease each season then have to wait for bearing to fail before replacing them.

You have a great day
Tom
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Yeup...there is "sealed" and then there is "dustproof", also another for marine use, I forget.
The dustproof type are greaseable and not easy to distinguish from sealed, so for my money
all are greasable - with care.
I am with you on greasegun use, it's sinful how we have had to suffer failing universal
joints and tierod ends for many a year now... all for the want of a greasenipple!

Thank you kindly for the feedback, Tom.
Take care :)


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Pumper54

What part of Oz do you hail from? Have friends in Queensland and some from the far west side. Took the family to visit a few years ago and went from Brisbane up the Gold coast to 1774 and then tours the Great Barrier reef, you all have a wonderful country there.
Tom


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KrashnKraka

KrashnKraka

Pumper54 said:
What part of Oz do you hail from? Have friends in Queensland and some from the far west side. Took the family to visit a few years ago and went from Brisbane up the Gold coast to 1774 and then tours the Great Barrier reef, you all have a wonderful country there.
Tom
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Queensland Tom, the pointy bit is my country.

And yes, we(.au) are an eclectic mob :biggrin:
Plenty of spots around the globe as interesting as "Down Under" so
it is maybe the people you are clapping? Glad your experience was
so good, you must have travelled away from major population centres.
1770 is a beaut hideaway... Cooktown, Bowen, Cardwell are a few others on
our east coast easily reached.
Sadly change is upon us so one has to look around to get an "Aussie Experience"
these days. It is fast getting more like "I am alright Jack, farrrk ewe", in suburbia.
Me and mine are well outa that and look on in bemusement :)

/waves

KK


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Pumper54

The rebuild parts arrived today so after a nice motorcycle around the area to relax and get my head in order I decided to remove the bearings from the deck and get to replacing them. First one was a bit of a booger bear to remove as it was frozen solid, end up busting the top inner race out, then dug out about 10 years worth of grass from around the spacer then placed a socket over the spacer and tapped down on it with a hammer. That drove the bottom bearing and spacer out the bottom of the deck. All well and good, threw the blade adaptor, small spacer, and other bits in the ultrasound cleaner to de gunk em and then Tom got stupid. When trying to break free the blade nut on the next blade, my hand hit the corner of the blade and I gashed my hand pretty good. Back in the house to clean it up, wrap it up and call around for a tetanus shot at 7:30 on July 3rd. Good luck there. Found a Walgreens that could do it, well $65.00 later I now have a sore hand and sore shoulder from the shot. No more mower work tonight. But the replacement parts look real good. Bearings are not sealed so I will be adding a grease fitting to each spindle assembly.
You all be safe
Tom

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shiftsuper175607

Pumper54 said:
The rebuild parts arrived today so after a nice motorcycle around the area to relax and get my head in order I decided to remove the bearings from the deck and get to replacing them. First one was a bit of a booger bear to remove as it was frozen solid, end up busting the top inner race out, then dug out about 10 years worth of grass from around the spacer then placed a socket over the spacer and tapped down on it with a hammer. That drove the bottom bearing and spacer out the bottom of the deck. All well and good, threw the blade adaptor, small spacer, and other bits in the ultrasound cleaner to de gunk em and then Tom got stupid. When trying to break free the blade nut on the next blade, my hand hit the corner of the blade and I gashed my hand pretty good. Back in the house to clean it up, wrap it up and call around for a tetanus shot at 7:30 on July 3rd. Good luck there. Found a Walgreens that could do it, well $65.00 later I now have a sore hand and sore shoulder from the shot. No more mower work tonight. But the replacement parts look real good. Bearings are not sealed so I will be adding a grease fitting to each spindle assembly.
You all be safe
Tom
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pumper54,
That was a good, but sad story.

Are you sure you're from Texas?

We don't call that a cut...that's a scratch.

You didn't ruin any of your clothes did you?

You didn't need a tourniquet ...

You didn't need a transfusion, did you?


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Pumper54

LOL, not a native born Texan but been here since Nov 1979. Actually it looks better then it is, kinda deep and the bleeding had stopped when I took that picture. Nothing that a "coldbeer" will not cure. But I don't drink so I guess a root beer is in order. No clothes ruined but I did drip blood on the mower deck. I think that mower likes the taste of my blood as I have given it some before. Smashed and cut my thumb changing out the belts on it before. All in all it does what I ask of it.
Tom


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KrashnKraka

KrashnKraka

Pumper54 said:
[...]
I think that mower likes the taste of my blood as I have given it some before. Smashed and cut my thumb changing out the belts on it before. All in all it does what I ask of it.
Tom
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... "blooded machine", or as the church goin' here (.au) say, "christened".

Sorry I can't emphatise more but as it is I gotta take yer word on the severity.
This 10" Tab wont pick up photos here.. I'd need to fire up a PC.

I did read a thread here on a fella hand cranking a rotor using the blade
to set the position.
Sometime back I had some minor work done in day surgery, there was a
fella there getting skin graft repair work done. He had done much the
same thing as I read. Cost him some months off work and two fingers.
Says more than "ouch!".

... take (more) care :)

KK


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KrashnKraka

KrashnKraka

shiftsuper175607 said:
pumper54,
[...]
We don't call that a cut...that's a scratch.
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... the storyline for 6M Dollar Man (bionic) had to come outa
TEXAS , yeh???

Any injury sorta pales the cut an' thrust of a good mow. [pun]

KK


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possum

In Kansas we would not own up to that cut. If asked we would not even have answered. I hope your hand did not injure the blade. Good luck with those bearings.


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KrashnKraka

KrashnKraka

possum said:
In Kansas we would not own up to that cut. If asked we would not even have answered. I hope your hand did not injure the blade. Good luck with those bearings.
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Yer makin' me squamish.
I bleed...?... I squeal. Take no drugs tho' ;)

KK


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Pumper54

possum said:
In Kansas we would not own up to that cut. If asked we would not even have answered. I hope your hand did not injure the blade. Good luck with those bearings.
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I did it to make fun of myself as much as pass on info about being safe.
Tom


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Pumper54

Replaced all the bearings in the three spindles, add grease fittings to two of them that did not have them and basically cleaned up the deck. Replaced the front roller with one I got from the local mower shop. Came off an all tore up Cub Cadet deck but was the same size as the old one and it was free so I am not complaining. ;-) . Hand has healed up nicely, thank you very much.
Tom


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KrashnKraka

KrashnKraka

Pumper54 said:
Replaced all the bearings in the three spindles, add grease fittings to two of them that did not have them and basically cleaned up the deck. Replaced the front roller with one I got from the local mower shop. Came off an all tore up Cub Cadet deck but was the same size as the old one and it was free so I am not complaining. ;-) . Hand has healed up nicely, thank you very much.
Tom
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Good One!
I think yer hand gave me the flu!
Two days flat on me back when not hunched over a
bowl of steaming eucalyptus oil!
Still 'fuzzy' but comin' good :)

KK


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Pumper54

KrashnKraka said:
Good One!
I think yer hand gave me the flu!
Two days flat on me back when not hunched over a
bowl of steaming eucalyptus oil!
Still 'fuzzy' but comin' good :)

KK
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Sorry about the flu my friend. Hope you are much better by now.
Tom


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KrashnKraka

KrashnKraka

Pumper54 said:
Sorry about the flu my friend. Hope you are much better by now.
Tom
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Firing on all cyclinders, Tom, thanks.

AND, an' I am about to start up (put to work) my latest project
today. Part of which your posting contributed to, heh.
I had a wheel stub and housing that came "sealed".
I 'desealed' ( issata word? ;-} ) and fitted a grease nipple (zerk)
as befits any self-respecting piece of farm machinery!! Heh heh...

---project pix to follow


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GMP440

I would not waste time replacing just the bearing. Just replace the whole spindle/jackshaft assembly. It's about a $30 part. That's what I do when a spindle bearing goes bad.


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Iggy Dalrymple

Pumper54 said:
Model 46209X0C Lost the bearings on one of the spindles and it burned up the belt before I got it all shut down. Have the jack shaft out of the spindle and it looks like one of the bearings/bushings in locked on the shaft and the large one in the spindle is seized tight. Are the bearing replaceable or is it time for new spindles? Also have any put grease fittings on the spindles to be able to lube them?

Thanks
Tom
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Hi Tom,
I just posted a similar question. Here's what I intend to try......unless someone persuades me otherwise. I have a Hustler Raptor 42, which is non-greasable. On a hunch, I ordered a greasable spindle for a 48" Husqvarna and it looks like it will interchange with my Hustler spindle. The grease zerk is in the top of the hollow shaft. In the event the spindle causes a problem, the Husqvarna shaft seems to have identical dimensions and I have successfully mated it to the Hustler spindle. I will not attempt the upgrade until the end of my Florida mowing season. I also intend to drill a small bleed hole in the spindle housing to indicate when the grease chamber is full. I also plan to temporarily remove the inner grease seals (rubber), and drill small holes to allow grease from the chamber to enter the bearings. The seals can be reinstalled once the holes are drilled. I plan to use High Temp Spindle Grease from Fluoramics aka TufOil.


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