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2 stroke or 4 cycle

#1

Kodie's Lawn Service

Kodie's Lawn Service

2storkes are great along with 4 stokes when it comes to buy trimmers or a blower would u buy 2stroke or 4 cycle ???:thumbsup:


#2

Ric

Ric

I prefer the Stihl 4 Mix units in both Trimmers and Blowers.


#3

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

2 stroke for me!
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#4

Kodie's Lawn Service

Kodie's Lawn Service

Ric said:
I prefer the Stihl 4 Mix units in both Trimmers and Blowers.
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i love the 4 mix but it is still a 2 stroke with a 4 stroke motor design :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:


#5

Ric

Ric

K-Pro-Mowing said:
i love the 4 mix but it is still a 2 stroke with a 4 stroke motor design :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
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The 4 Mix is not a 2 stroke unit, the 4 mix unit is a single cylinder 4 Stroke engine with gas & oil Lubrication, Check the manual.


#6

Kodie's Lawn Service

Kodie's Lawn Service

Ric said:
The 4 Mix is not a 2 stroke unit, the 4 mix unit is a single cylinder 4 Stroke engine with gas & oil Lubrication, Check the manual.
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It maybe a 4 cycle engine but it runs on 2 stroke gas so there for it is a 2 stroke :thumbsup:


#7

jekjr

jekjr

K-Pro-Mowing said:
It maybe a 4 cycle engine but it runs on 2 stroke gas so there for it is a 2 stroke :thumbsup:
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All of them will run on two cycle gas. It will just make them smoke a little and also might eventually foul the plug.

A 4 cycle and a 2 cycle engine are not the same thing however. A two cycle works off of a valve like a reed valve and only uses two cycles where as the 4 cycle has a seperate exhaust and intake valve and takes 4 cycles to operate.

If you try to run a 2 stroke off of 4 cycle gas you will seize the engine.

A two stroke lubricates from the oil in the mix. The four stroke lubricates from oil in the sump.


#8

Ric

Ric

jekjr said:
All of them will run on two cycle gas. It will just make them smoke a little and also might eventually foul the plug.

A 4 cycle and a 2 cycle engine are not the same thing however. A two cycle works off of a valve like a reed valve and only uses two cycles where as the 4 cycle has a seperate exhaust and intake valve and takes 4 cycles to operate.

If you try to run a 2 stroke off of 4 cycle gas you will seize the engine.

A two stroke lubricates from the oil in the mix. The four stroke lubricates from oil in the sump.
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Well I'm not going to argue the point, you can define it anyway you want to make you happy but the fact remains the Stihl 4 Mix engine is not a 2 stroke unit, the 4 mix unit is a single cylinder 4 Stroke engine the same as the Honda trimmer engine or as any other 4 stroke engine, it runs the same. Whether it uses a sump as you say or runs with gas & oil Lubrication is of no consequence. It's a 4 stroke engine plain and simple.


#9

Kodie's Lawn Service

Kodie's Lawn Service

Ric said:
Well I'm not going to argue the point, you can define it anyway you want to make you happy but the fact remains the Stihl 4 Mix engine is not a 2 stroke unit, the 4 mix unit is a single cylinder 4 Stroke engine the same as the Honda trimmer engine or as any other 4 stroke engine, it runs the same. Whether it uses a sump as you say or runs with gas & oil Lubrication is of no consequence. It's a 4 stroke engine plain and simple.
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I did so research and sthil says it both but they have called it the 4 mix cause of single cylinder motor that has a motor


#10

Ric

Ric

The award-winning STIHL four-stroke engine that runs on a petrol-oil mix. The STIHL 4-MIX engine thus combines the advantages of a 2-stroke and a 4-stroke. As well has having plenty of lugging power and perceptibly higher torque, the 4-MIX engine is also convincing in terms of lower emissions, low maintenance and a pleasant sound.

Clear advantages
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  • Fewer emissions: The fuel burns with very little in the way of residues and thus complies with the strict European exhaust emission limits, Stage II.
  • No oil servicing: Easy maintenance, as it uses the familiar fuel mix.
  • Lightweight: The mix-lubricated system avoids the need for components like an oil pump, sump and oil tank as on conventional four-strokes.
  • Lower noise threshold: Pleasant sound, even at high power.
  • Lugging power and high torque: Very good acceleration for plenty of power.


The thing is you better get use to it because it's the way of the future. Sooner than later you will not be able to find or buy a 2 stroke unit for sale because they will be phased out in favor of the new technology.
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#11

Kodie's Lawn Service

Kodie's Lawn Service

Ric said:
The award-winning STIHL four-stroke engine that runs on a petrol-oil mix. The STIHL 4-MIX engine thus combines the advantages of a 2-stroke and a 4-stroke. As well has having plenty of lugging power and perceptibly higher torque, the 4-MIX engine is also convincing in terms of lower emissions, low maintenance and a pleasant sound.

Clear advantages
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  • Fewer emissions: The fuel burns with very little in the way of residues and thus complies with the strict European exhaust emission limits, Stage II.
  • No oil servicing: Easy maintenance, as it uses the familiar fuel mix.
  • Lightweight: The mix-lubricated system avoids the need for components like an oil pump, sump and oil tank as on conventional four-strokes.
  • Lower noise threshold: Pleasant sound, even at high power.
  • Lugging power and high torque: Very good acceleration for plenty of power.


The thing is you better get use to it because it's the way of the future. Sooner than later you will not be able to find or buy a 2 stroke unit for sale because they will be phased out in favor of the new technology.
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Dont get me wrong i have a 4mix i love it haha :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:


#12

P

possum

Im thinking the wave of the future is going to be electric.


#13

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

possum said:
Im thinking the wave of the future is going to be electric.
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Yes I think that can happen but I think a longer-lasting battery will be needed if electric mowers want to move their way into the commercial lawn care field.
But there are some commercial operators that use smaller electric equipment...look here: http://www.lawnmowerforum.com/electric-battery-operated/13560-eco-friendly-mowing-service.html.

Here are some of the larger electric mowers out today:

Mean Green Products: Powerful Electric Products
Hustler Zeon: Hustler Turf Products - Electric Mowers - ZEON
Recharge Mower G2: Recharge Mower - Recharge Mower G2 Riding Mower

Mean Green ZTR.jpg Mean Green walk-behind.jpg hustler zeon.jpg G2 mower.jpg


#14

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

Here is a similar poll to what the original post was asking: http://www.lawnmowerforum.com/polls/8504-2-cycle-vs-4-cycle-string-trimmer.html


#15

Ric

Ric

lawn mower fanatic said:
Yes I think that can happen but I think a longer-lasting battery will be needed if electric mowers want to move their way into the commercial lawn care field.
But there are some commercial operators that use smaller electric equipment...look here: http://www.lawnmowerforum.com/electric-battery-operated/13560-eco-friendly-mowing-service.html.

Here are some of the larger electric mowers out today:

Mean Green Products: Powerful Electric Products
Hustler Zeon: Hustler Turf Products - Electric Mowers - ZEON
Recharge Mower G2: Recharge Mower - Recharge Mower G2 Riding Mower

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The problem with the Electric mowers( ZTR, Riders,and WB as pictured ) is that they're not a cost effective substitute or solution for Lawn-care and never will be. They can't be used effectively for commercial work because they can't be used 8 to 10 hours a day the way some businesses run and there absolutely and ridiculously priced for the Homeowner.


#16

Ric

Ric

You said you thought a longer-lasting battery will be needed if electric mowers want to move their way into commercial lawn care. not only a longer lasting battery but a faster charging system. The Zeon I think with the charger that comes with it takes like 24 hours to charge the batteries. At an extra cost you can buy the High Performance charger but it still takes 6 hours to charge and even that isn't effective or efficient.


#17

lawn mower fanatic

lawn mower fanatic

Ric said:
The problem with the Electric mowers( ZTR, Riders,and WB as pictured ) is that they're not a cost effective substitute or solution for Lawn-care and never will be. They can't be used effectively for commercial work because they can't be used 8 to 10 hours a day the way some businesses run and there absolutely and ridiculously priced for the Homeowner.
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Ric said:
You said you thought a longer-lasting battery will be needed if electric mowers want to move their way into commercial lawn care. not only a longer lasting battery but a faster charging system. The Zeon I think with the charger that comes with it takes like 24 hours to charge the batteries. At an extra cost you can buy the High Performance charger but it still takes 6 hours to charge and even that isn't effective or efficient.
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That's true....I agree. I like your statement that says ".....and there absolutely and ridiculously priced for the Homeowner". I definitely agree on the RIDICULOUS part. $2,500 for a rear-engine rider?? Some of the gas RER's are like $1000 cheaper! For $2500 you can buy a really low end zero-turn mower or an OK lawn tractor. :rolleyes:
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(Yes I know the lawn tractor I picked was a little under $2500, it was the closest one I could find on Mowers Direct without going over.


#18

A

aron33mc

For trimmers and such, two strokes are my choice. They seem to take a beating and keep going. Hard to break especially on tools that are used and abused. :)


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