What parts should I expect to replace to get mower running?

LarryJohnson

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  • / What parts should I expect to replace to get mower running?
I inherited a non-running Murray Select lawn tractor (model 465306x8B). It's not in bad shape. Hasn't run in a few years and the word is it may need a starter. 2006 battery is at 5 volts. Just ordered a key for it and took some of it apart to clean. Drained the old fuel and pulled the plugs. I haven't done much mechanical work in my day, but if I knew what might need replacing, I'd have a better chance at getting it running. Is there anything that typically brakes on this particular machine that would prevent it from starting? I will plan on replacing fuel, plugs, air filter, and maybe oil (although doesn't look bad or low).

I'm aware of how ethanol in gas has been destorying small engines. Didn't see an easy way to take off carb to clean. Is this an issue.

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  • / What parts should I expect to replace to get mower running?
Carburetor will undoubtedly need disassembly and a thorough cleaning.

Get rid of every trace of old gas from tank and lines.

New battery and spark plug(s). Plugs are cheap.

Check oil to make sure crankcase is not over full due to carburetor leakage. If it is, drain and replace oil.

That's enough to find out whether or not it's going to run.

If you do get it running, get new oil, oil filter and air filter and you should be set for a season.
 

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  • / What parts should I expect to replace to get mower running?
Check oil to make sure crankcase is not over full due to carburetor leakage.

Could you explain this in more detail. How do I go about doing this. What am I looking for. Thanks.
 

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  • / What parts should I expect to replace to get mower running?
You would be looking for an overfull situation and the smell of gasoline.

Just change it and be on the safe side.

edit: I didn't see the comment in your original post about not being able to remove the carburetor. I would say, yes, that would be a problem but I am about 100% confident it can be removed.
 

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  • / What parts should I expect to replace to get mower running?
You would be looking for an overfull situation and the smell of gasoline.

Just change it and be on the safe side.

edit: I didn't see the comment in your original post about not being able to remove the carburetor. I would say, yes, that would be a problem but I am about 100% confident it can be removed.

I'm sure it can be removed. I'll figure it out.
 

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  • / What parts should I expect to replace to get mower running?
The third most important thing is to replace the fuel lines.
If they have been sitting with old fuel in them for a long time good chance they will be gooey inside so all the good work in cleaning will be to no avail.

The test is generally do involves fitting an inline spark tester then squirting some starter fluid down the carb and giving the mower a spin.
AS you have a dubious starter you would find following this proceedure I wrote some time ago useful.

Before you start, pull the spark plug & try to rotate the engine by hand.
No use checking the electrics if you have a hydraulic lock, seized engine or jambed belt overloading the stater motor.
Assuming the engine turns freely.

I like to start from the starter motor and go backwards .
Do the following 5 tests, regardless of the results from any or all of them as there can be more than one problem and you want to isolate where the problem lies.
Elimination of individual parts is important so you know by the end, the battery, solenoid & heavy power circuits are all in good order.

1) try to jump the starter motor directly from your car or truck.
Starter turns = starter good

2) do the same directly from the mowers battery
Starter turns = mower battery good
No turn = duff battery, recharge it & try again.

3) check for voltage ( + 12V ) at the solenoid trigger wire with the key in start position
3a) same with ground trigger wire ( 4 wire solenoid ) or body of solenoid ( 3 wire solenoid)
( I like to test V from the battery hot terminal to ground terminal rather than ohms as they give funny readings )

4) leave ground jumper in place ( from step 2 ) & try key start.
Starter turns = power connection good but ground connection suspect ( most common )
Confirm it by trying again, extra ground removed
I run a secondary ground from the grounding bolt to one of the starter mounting bolts & paint over both with liquid electrical tape.

5) Remove the trigger ( thin ) wire / wires from the bottom of the solenoid.
Ground one & bridge from the hot terminal to the other.
Starter cranks = solenoid good.
Solenoid is not polarity sensitive, BUT THE WIRING IS so make sure you remove the thin control wires.
Note a thinner wire on the hot terminal is not a control wire. It is the main power feed to the mower.


From here on things become very mower dependant as starting circuits are getting changed all the time.
Basically the power goes in a loop from the hot side of the solenoid ( saves wire, no other reason ) through the fuse to the B terminal on the key switch then to the PTO switch then to the parking brake switch then to the solenoid trigger switch , easy peasy after you grow the 3rd arm. Use a test lamp and follow the power.
However a lot of mowers with a 4 pole solenoid, run a secondary ground control circuit to the ground solenoid wire through the lap bars.
Then to stop this interfearing with the normal safety function of the ground kill, it goes to a relay with the ground as the switched connection.
These are a PIA as the + control wire to the relay comes from the power loop above and the ground side of the control comes via the normal cut out functions of the lap bars.
Be very careful because if you have a system like this and accidentally send 12V down the ground loop you can fry the magnetos on some circuits.
 

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  • / What parts should I expect to replace to get mower running?
Larry...
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  • / What parts should I expect to replace to get mower running?
Find your engine numbers on your engine and post them ... Model & Type will be enough ..(see my info on this post page )
Actually you have the same mower as I do ...EXCEPT for a few minor differences..
use this link for help...
https://www.briggsandstratton.com/na/en_us/support/need-help.html

Thanks. Here's my engine info. It's a craftsman v-twin. The mower also came with the shute and clippings collection system that attaches to the back end. It has three large plastic bins for clippings. 21hp.

Oh, having trouble removing one of the blade retention nuts. Put heat to it, no luck. It's now soaking in wd40. Is one of them reverse threaded.

Untitled by Larry Johnson, on Flickr
 

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  • / What parts should I expect to replace to get mower running?
Thanks. Here's my engine info. It's a craftsman v-twin. The mower also came with the shute and clippings collection system that attaches to the back end. It has three large plastic bins for clippings. 21hp.

Oh, having trouble removing one of the blade retention nuts. Put heat to it, no luck. It's now soaking in wd40. Is one of them reverse threaded.

Untitled by Larry Johnson, on Flickr

Blade nut is standard rotatation ...(righty..= TIGHTY ...lefty ..= loosey )..PATIENCE & using an "impact" wrench is the best way to remove ... AFTER a good soaking with ( P-B Blaster ) penetrant oil ( get @ auto-supply stores)
send me your e-mail address in a PM ... and I will send You an owners guide ( pdf-manual )
Murray NEVER made any service manuals that I've heard about ...Owners guide has limited info & parts lists but its all you really need ..... IF you look at the pics in my albums you can see these mowers are pretty simple and easy to work on ...

1 more item for you ...https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6NaqjIxWV1ySkZjTTA5TGltZEE/view

Oh yeah GREAT pic you posted !!! I forgot to say ..TAKE TONS of pics of whatever you work on ..REMEMBER :
these pics become YOUR manual and reference material.. it has saved me hundreds of hours in research and countless headaches ..you can always delete ... but if you dont have the info you face what you are going through RIGHT NOW !!!
 
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